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Who Owns Israel? The Jews or the Arabs?
From Time Immemorial by Joan Peters | 10/17/07 | Psychic Dice

Posted on 11/17/2007 9:31:32 PM PST by Psychic Dice

Who is the rightful owner of the land now occupied by Israel? Anyone interested in a fair solution to the Palestian/Israeli question has to ask this question.

Back in the 1970s Joan Peters was a liberal who set out to prove that American policies were the cause of conflicts going on there. Two years into her research she realize that she had it wrong. Her book From Time Immemorial (The Origins Of The Arab Jewish Conflict Over Palestine) details what she discovered.

It is a tome (600 pages) and isn’t a recent release. Although I remember its 1984 publication, I didn’t read it until two year ago.

To be honest, most Jews don’t know this history – especially the young who have recently gone through American universities. Many of them believe that underneath it all the Israelis ripped off the Arabs. Peters documents a very different history.

Peters discovered that the Arab propaganda machine had - for some time - been convincing the West of three lies: • 1) The Jews and Arabs got along famously for the last 1,200 years before the Zionists came along. • 2) Millions of Arabs had owned and worked the land of Palestine from time immemorial. • 3) The Jews drove those millions off their land in 1948.

Having researched thousand of sources: British libraries, Ottoman and other Muslim records, many living Jews and Muslims (including Yasser Arafat), Winston Churchill, even Mark Twain, Peters shows that: • 1) Every Muslim country perpetuated third or fourth class citizenship on its Jewish populations for 12 centuries through habitual mass murders, rapes, extortion, theft, beatings, lies, and many other special rules that would make the Third Reich proud. • 2) Islam reduced the thriving population of the Holy Land (including what is now Jordan) from millions in the 8th Century to mere hundreds of thousands as it over and over and over and over again and again and again and again looted it - until most of the land was owned by three families of Syrians in Damascus. In 1887, 60,000 Jews and a couple thousand less Muslims (only 28,000 of which were Bedouin Arabs who were nomadic, not land owners) lived within the boundaries of what would become the modern day Israel. • 3) In 1948, the only Muslims who were not allowed to return to their land after seven Islamic countries declared war on Israel were the ones who had left Israel to fight against the Jews.

From Time Immemorial documents precisely why the Israelis are right and why we are right to back them.


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1 posted on 11/17/2007 9:31:34 PM PST by Psychic Dice
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To: Psychic Dice

Answer = whoever can control and defend it.


2 posted on 11/17/2007 9:33:06 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

bump


3 posted on 11/17/2007 9:37:48 PM PST by Eva
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To: Psychic Dice

God gave what is now Israel to the Jews
It’s theirs


4 posted on 11/17/2007 9:41:24 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: Psychic Dice

Answer = God


5 posted on 11/17/2007 9:41:45 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Psychic Dice

For most of US generations hell-fire Christian preachers condemned Jews as the the ones who killed Christ.

Of course, now we are enlightened due to politics and this has always been a Judeo-Christian nation.

I say it belongs to the Jews. Nothing to do with being Republican, of course.


6 posted on 11/17/2007 9:45:14 PM PST by freedom44
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To: Grizzled Bear

Bump THAT!


7 posted on 11/17/2007 9:45:59 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Mother of the Bride here, treat me with respect for once, will ya? ;))
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To: Psychic Dice
3) The Jews drove those millions off their land in 1948.

Wrong. The Arab nations called on the Arabs living in Israel to “come out so that we may cleanse the land.”

They abandoned their homes anticipating a quick return after the "war." Unfortunately for them the Arab armies were repelled by the Israelis who were using antiquated and inferior military equipment.

The food in the larders and the water in the cisterns found at the abandoned houses saved the Israelis from starvation and dehydration until they could grow/collect their own resources.

8 posted on 11/17/2007 9:46:36 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Psychic Dice

Israel consists of Jews, Muslims and Christians, of European, African and Arab descent, living together under a democratically elected government. So the answer to the question is, “The Israelis do.”


9 posted on 11/17/2007 9:49:13 PM PST by Fabozz
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To: Psychic Dice; All

God is the owner, the occupants just rent...


10 posted on 11/17/2007 9:57:13 PM PST by UFC Pride K1
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To: Psychic Dice

“Who is the rightful owner of the land now occupied by Israel?”

Like the United States, those who will fight for it, deserve to own it. Those who won’t are just mostly traitors and scabs and should go elsewhere.


11 posted on 11/17/2007 10:02:16 PM PST by JSteff
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God is the owner, the occupants just rent...

You know, I think I agree with you; of course, the same could be said of other nations - especially the United States - and of late, we've been lax in "paying the rent" as it were.

God may just decide to evict us and give his blessings to others who give Him the Praise and Honour He desires.

12 posted on 11/17/2007 10:18:30 PM PST by Friend_from_the_Frozen_North (If you are, as Rush would say, "A Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance" don't waste my time...)
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To: freedom44

I guess they conveniently forgot that Jesus was born a Jew and that the New Testament is the completion of the story of God’s relationship with His chosen people. The land of Israel was given to them by God and it will always belong to them. It actually has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with God who, unlike politicians, ALWAYS keeps His promises.


13 posted on 11/17/2007 10:24:39 PM PST by srmorton (Choose life!)
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To: Psychic Dice

Has anyone looked into what kind of rent the Jews could collect if they rented it out and lived in another country?


14 posted on 11/17/2007 10:59:25 PM PST by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets, Airborne)
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""Son of man, the citizens of Jerusalem (the Jews) are telling the rest of the House of Israel, that since they were sent away from God, that it is to them that the land has been given as their domain. Say therefore, The Lord says this: 'Yes, I have sent them far away among the nations, and I have dispersed them to foreign countries...but I will gather them together from among the peoples, I will bring them all back from the countries where they have been scattered and I will give them the land of Israel."Ez.11:14-21

God's chosen are those who believe in him.

15 posted on 11/17/2007 11:04:37 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Fabozz
Israel consists of Jews, Muslims and Christians, of European, African and Arab descent, living together under a democratically elected government. So the answer to the question is, “The Israelis do.”
Best Answer Ever. End of Thread.
16 posted on 11/17/2007 11:06:12 PM PST by ketsu
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Might is Right bump.


17 posted on 11/17/2007 11:07:29 PM PST by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: ketsu
"Best Answer Ever. End of Thread."

Absolutely.

18 posted on 11/17/2007 11:08:58 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: freedom44
For most of US generations hell-fire Christian preachers condemned Jews as the the ones who killed Christ.

You've been watching too much Hollywood's presentation of Christianity.

I'm 50 and Southern Baptist and have never in my entire life heard a Protestant preacher down south argue against Jews belonging in Israel as their land.

Where do you get this notion?

19 posted on 11/17/2007 11:12:20 PM PST by wardaddy (This country is being destroyed by folks who could have never created it.)
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To: srmorton

Why did you buy into his premise...offered just anecdotally.

It’s a myth.

Like all these new Christians just discovered Jesus was Hebrew...give me a break.


20 posted on 11/17/2007 11:13:32 PM PST by wardaddy (This country is being destroyed by folks who could have never created it.)
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