Posted on 11/17/2007 9:31:32 PM PST by Psychic Dice
Who is the rightful owner of the land now occupied by Israel? Anyone interested in a fair solution to the Palestian/Israeli question has to ask this question.
Back in the 1970s Joan Peters was a liberal who set out to prove that American policies were the cause of conflicts going on there. Two years into her research she realize that she had it wrong. Her book From Time Immemorial (The Origins Of The Arab Jewish Conflict Over Palestine) details what she discovered.
It is a tome (600 pages) and isn’t a recent release. Although I remember its 1984 publication, I didn’t read it until two year ago.
To be honest, most Jews don’t know this history – especially the young who have recently gone through American universities. Many of them believe that underneath it all the Israelis ripped off the Arabs. Peters documents a very different history.
Peters discovered that the Arab propaganda machine had - for some time - been convincing the West of three lies: • 1) The Jews and Arabs got along famously for the last 1,200 years before the Zionists came along. • 2) Millions of Arabs had owned and worked the land of Palestine from time immemorial. • 3) The Jews drove those millions off their land in 1948.
Having researched thousand of sources: British libraries, Ottoman and other Muslim records, many living Jews and Muslims (including Yasser Arafat), Winston Churchill, even Mark Twain, Peters shows that: • 1) Every Muslim country perpetuated third or fourth class citizenship on its Jewish populations for 12 centuries through habitual mass murders, rapes, extortion, theft, beatings, lies, and many other special rules that would make the Third Reich proud. • 2) Islam reduced the thriving population of the Holy Land (including what is now Jordan) from millions in the 8th Century to mere hundreds of thousands as it over and over and over and over again and again and again and again looted it - until most of the land was owned by three families of Syrians in Damascus. In 1887, 60,000 Jews and a couple thousand less Muslims (only 28,000 of which were Bedouin Arabs who were nomadic, not land owners) lived within the boundaries of what would become the modern day Israel. • 3) In 1948, the only Muslims who were not allowed to return to their land after seven Islamic countries declared war on Israel were the ones who had left Israel to fight against the Jews.
From Time Immemorial documents precisely why the Israelis are right and why we are right to back them.
Answer = whoever can control and defend it.
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God gave what is now Israel to the Jews
It’s theirs
Answer = God
For most of US generations hell-fire Christian preachers condemned Jews as the the ones who killed Christ.
Of course, now we are enlightened due to politics and this has always been a Judeo-Christian nation.
I say it belongs to the Jews. Nothing to do with being Republican, of course.
Bump THAT!
Wrong. The Arab nations called on the Arabs living in Israel to “come out so that we may cleanse the land.”
They abandoned their homes anticipating a quick return after the "war." Unfortunately for them the Arab armies were repelled by the Israelis who were using antiquated and inferior military equipment.
The food in the larders and the water in the cisterns found at the abandoned houses saved the Israelis from starvation and dehydration until they could grow/collect their own resources.
Israel consists of Jews, Muslims and Christians, of European, African and Arab descent, living together under a democratically elected government. So the answer to the question is, “The Israelis do.”
God is the owner, the occupants just rent...
“Who is the rightful owner of the land now occupied by Israel?”
Like the United States, those who will fight for it, deserve to own it. Those who won’t are just mostly traitors and scabs and should go elsewhere.
You know, I think I agree with you; of course, the same could be said of other nations - especially the United States - and of late, we've been lax in "paying the rent" as it were.
God may just decide to evict us and give his blessings to others who give Him the Praise and Honour He desires.
I guess they conveniently forgot that Jesus was born a Jew and that the New Testament is the completion of the story of God’s relationship with His chosen people. The land of Israel was given to them by God and it will always belong to them. It actually has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with God who, unlike politicians, ALWAYS keeps His promises.
Has anyone looked into what kind of rent the Jews could collect if they rented it out and lived in another country?
God's chosen are those who believe in him.
Israel consists of Jews, Muslims and Christians, of European, African and Arab descent, living together under a democratically elected government. So the answer to the question is, “The Israelis do.”Best Answer Ever. End of Thread.
Might is Right bump.
Absolutely.
You've been watching too much Hollywood's presentation of Christianity.
I'm 50 and Southern Baptist and have never in my entire life heard a Protestant preacher down south argue against Jews belonging in Israel as their land.
Where do you get this notion?
Why did you buy into his premise...offered just anecdotally.
It’s a myth.
Like all these new Christians just discovered Jesus was Hebrew...give me a break.
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