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To: PeterPrinciple
OK, this could be a good thread. For arguments sake....

If I did this to other people that flew flags of other nations (Israel or Mexico) in the middle of the night, what would happen to me?

Hate crime or no hate crime?

What would happen if I went and burned a rainbow flag, what would happen to me?

Hate crime or no hate crime?

Now if I did either one at a protest?

Am I be expressing myself or is this a hate crime?

17 posted on 10/17/2007 12:17:48 PM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Got Towel?)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

Hate crime or no hate crime?


Sorry, I consider hate crimes an abomination and something that liberals support. It bothers me to see that language become part of conservative discussion. We are all equal before the law...........crime is crime.


20 posted on 10/17/2007 12:25:45 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: WakeUpAndVote; PeterPrinciple
< Re: Flag desecration as a hate crime

I no fan of “hate crimes” because it changes the aspect of crime to PC/socialization experiments.

HOWEVER, you may be on to something:
CA
http://da.co.la.ca.us/hate/hcdefined.htm

“Hate crimes are criminal acts or attempted criminal acts against an individual or group of individuals because of their actual or perceived race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, or disability...”

“Some hate-motivated offenses do not rise to the level of a crime that can be charged in court. These acts are called hate incidents. Although they may not meet the definition of a crime, they leave individuals feeling victimized and can escalate into criminal behavior.

Free speech is protected by the United States Constitution and is not a hate crime. However, speech that carries a credible threat of violence against an individual or group of people is criminal.”

* Defacing or damaging another person’s property to intimidate or interfere with that person’s free exercise of his or her constitutional rights

24 posted on 10/17/2007 12:39:58 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: WakeUpAndVote; PeterPrinciple
< Re: Flag desecration as a hate crime

I no fan of “hate crimes” because it changes the aspect of crime to PC/socialization experiments.

HOWEVER, you may be on to something:
CA
http://da.co.la.ca.us/hate/hcdefined.htm

“Hate crimes are criminal acts or attempted criminal acts against an individual or group of individuals because of their actual or perceived race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, or disability...”

“Some hate-motivated offenses do not rise to the level of a crime that can be charged in court. These acts are called hate incidents. Although they may not meet the definition of a crime, they leave individuals feeling victimized and can escalate into criminal behavior.

Free speech is protected by the United States Constitution and is not a hate crime. However, speech that carries a credible threat of violence against an individual or group of people is criminal.”

* Defacing or damaging another person’s property to intimidate or interfere with that person’s free exercise of his or her constitutional rights

25 posted on 10/17/2007 12:40:01 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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