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3 teens arrested in flag burnings
The Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | 10/17/2007 | THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 10/17/2007 11:40:29 AM PDT by Patriot62

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To: jonrick46
Woopers! Somehow I slipped my comment on the wrong thread.

Hey, just change "defrag" to "deflag," and it sort of fits :-)

21 posted on 10/17/2007 12:26:05 PM PDT by sourcery (Referring a "social conservative" to the Ninth Amendment is like showing the Cross to Dracula.)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

This is not a hate crime. If the flags were Mexican flags, THEN it would be a hate crime.</ sarc.>


22 posted on 10/17/2007 12:29:55 PM PDT by wjcsux (Islam: The religion of choice for those who are too stupid for Scientology)
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To: PeterPrinciple

See #19

That and your post is the response that I was hoping to see.

I guess my attempt at making a point fell way short there. I was attempting to get right out to that point. A crime is a crime.


23 posted on 10/17/2007 12:36:11 PM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Got Towel?)
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To: WakeUpAndVote; PeterPrinciple
< Re: Flag desecration as a hate crime

I no fan of “hate crimes” because it changes the aspect of crime to PC/socialization experiments.

HOWEVER, you may be on to something:
CA
http://da.co.la.ca.us/hate/hcdefined.htm

“Hate crimes are criminal acts or attempted criminal acts against an individual or group of individuals because of their actual or perceived race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, or disability...”

“Some hate-motivated offenses do not rise to the level of a crime that can be charged in court. These acts are called hate incidents. Although they may not meet the definition of a crime, they leave individuals feeling victimized and can escalate into criminal behavior.

Free speech is protected by the United States Constitution and is not a hate crime. However, speech that carries a credible threat of violence against an individual or group of people is criminal.”

* Defacing or damaging another person’s property to intimidate or interfere with that person’s free exercise of his or her constitutional rights

24 posted on 10/17/2007 12:39:58 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: WakeUpAndVote; PeterPrinciple
< Re: Flag desecration as a hate crime

I no fan of “hate crimes” because it changes the aspect of crime to PC/socialization experiments.

HOWEVER, you may be on to something:
CA
http://da.co.la.ca.us/hate/hcdefined.htm

“Hate crimes are criminal acts or attempted criminal acts against an individual or group of individuals because of their actual or perceived race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, or disability...”

“Some hate-motivated offenses do not rise to the level of a crime that can be charged in court. These acts are called hate incidents. Although they may not meet the definition of a crime, they leave individuals feeling victimized and can escalate into criminal behavior.

Free speech is protected by the United States Constitution and is not a hate crime. However, speech that carries a credible threat of violence against an individual or group of people is criminal.”

* Defacing or damaging another person’s property to intimidate or interfere with that person’s free exercise of his or her constitutional rights

25 posted on 10/17/2007 12:40:01 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: Harrius Magnus; WakeUpAndVote

Hate crime laws are already in the statutes. As such they should be used against the Left/liberal hate.

Of course it would be much better to get rid of these travesties...but until they are, they should be applied to the loony left.


26 posted on 10/17/2007 12:41:50 PM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: Patriot62

I would sentence these punks to 1 year of latrine duty at the VFW’s.


27 posted on 10/17/2007 12:44:28 PM PDT by Bommer (“He that controls the spice controls the universe!” (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!))
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To: Patriot62

Hmmm.... I wonder what these perps sir names are....


28 posted on 10/17/2007 12:56:23 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: AU72

“Trespassing, destruction of property, disturbing the peace.Probably get 30 days of community service, on weekends.”

IMO, that’s about the right punishment for a teenager on a first offense [my assumption], coupled with a fine, the price of a new flag as compensation to the owner, and a personal apology.


29 posted on 10/17/2007 1:18:08 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: trumandogz

Agreed as to the principal.

But if these were all American flags then there is a serious problem in that community with anti-American goons.

I hope they throw the book at them — even if it’s just a pamphlet.


30 posted on 10/17/2007 1:37:49 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Patriot62
Some of the fault comes from the school’s screw ups.

They surely know how to show kids how to put condoms on bananas; also, don’t pray kids, it’s wrong; also criticize our country, it’s bad; et al, et al, et al.

These kids who burned flags, are criminals. Include trespassing, destruction of property, and also add possible endangering the well-being of the owners. Don’t anyone give me any crap about freedom of speech.

31 posted on 10/17/2007 1:40:03 PM PDT by GOPologist (When one lowers himself to argue with a fool, then you don't know which one is the fool.)
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To: Patriot62

I think they should each be allowed to burn one more flag... as long as they wrap themselves in it first.


32 posted on 10/17/2007 4:08:11 PM PDT by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: eleni121

“Hate crime laws are already in the statutes. As such they should be used against the Left/liberal hate.

“Of course it would be much better to get rid of these travesties...but until they are, they should be applied to the loony left.”

I think I agree, unfortunately.

I’d like to add to what SHOULD be done that I posted above:

The parents should make the kids go to the grave of the brave warrior who made the ultimate sacrifice, to lay flowers at the grave, and recite the essay they wrote to the family that is in attendance, of what freedom means, why it is not a right, but a privilege that is earned, and how they plan to earn that privilege into adulthood, contrasting it with the sacrifice that the fallen have given.


33 posted on 10/17/2007 4:14:43 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
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