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To: nature; blueplum

Your bacterium symposium is fascinating and thoroughly confusing. I suspect Perper was confused, but too arrogant to admit it.

Did he question KE on why or how ( as a medical doctor) she could prescribe such a lethal cocktail of drugs without having lab tests and blood work performed? Especially before prescribing Cipro - which is known to have severe side effects in combination with other drugs? The lack of medical oversight & caution is appalling or deliberate.


1,161 posted on 10/21/2007 5:35:41 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Skunks are smarter than most lawyers and they smell better .)
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To: sodpoodle
That is the thing sod... Perper had the RX bottles and he is the one that supplied the dates! He is the one that tries to 'sell' the Cipro. He is the one with the job and the responsibility. He is the one that was so grossly negligent he states she took a bath and Cipro Monday night, went to bed by ten. But then he produces a list showing the Cipro wasn't scripted until Tuesday! How could Perper be confused, he is the one that made it all up. lol Not confusing to me to know that if the labs can't find it, tell you it isn't there in this day and age of easy identification .. then it isn't there. And I don't have a medical degree, Perper does. He was so fixated (why?) on forcing illness that when the CH toxicology came back, him and his team of 'experts' had to totally revamp their push for infection. I don't know if you ever read the adendum reports but they are interesting. He had initial tox by 2/9/07 He KNEW by then all about the benzodiazepines and still remained hell bent to look the other way for infections that weren't there. Perper made up his mind BEFORE he even had tox reports! What ethical ME does that? She could have been poisoined for all he knew! Yet he sets his mind, digs in his heals with lies. Lies HE chose to stand by no matter what. • Initial assumptions (three choices):  Natural death  Drug/medication related death  Combination of natural and drug related death Bayerl I see no hstopathologic evidence to suggest a specific etiology. I see no evidence underlying constitutional immune dysfunction. Dickinson Professor of Medicine and Chief, Infectious Diseases UofMiami Miller School of Medicine Gorensek Chaiman, Dept of Infectious Disease Cleveland Clinic Florida BOTH signed! "Conclusion Although we initially were of the opinion that disseminated bacterial infection originating in the buttock abscess and the norovirus infection were major contributors to her death, with the finding of toxic levels of chloral hyrate, we would relegate the infecitons to contributing role, but not the main cause. HOW MUCH HER INFECTIONS CONTRIBUTED TO HER DEMISE IS UNCLEAR AND CANNOT BE DEFINED. A drug overdose appears to fit the overall clinical history nd postmortem findings. CAPS are my own screams on this insanity ;| Now, these two don't even HAVE all the details by their own letter!!!! They had a damn "conference call" on Feb 23 and said oh, okay we will back you up is how I read it. "The relevant details as we understand them at the time of our conference on February 23, 2007. " They run the same story Perper must have told them, plane, butt pain etc. But get these "experts"!!!!??? "received Tamiflu and ciprofloxin by mouth [dosage and number of doses given unknown] "She remained in bed and spend much of the February 8th sleeping" "No medical details of her course this day is available, but late in the day she was found by a friend to be unrsponsive and when medical assitance arrived she expired. " WTH!!! Februrary 8th is the morning she DIED these idiots!! They know NOTHING about her medical, NOTHING about her meds but they have an expert opinion?!!!!! Then they go on to some moronic slippery 'maybe' twists and turns but now that the tox shows DEADLY levels of CH .. she must have died from drugs with the infections they can't find as contributiors. BULL TWEETY. Funny they mention the Norfolk virus then FORGET to acknowledge it was shot down by CDC tests! Perper just happens to be on Staff at Miller School, what a surprise huh?! http://www.med.miami.edu/med/infectiousdiseases/chief.asp Margaret Gorensek doesn't even show up on the physicians list at the Cleveland Clinic she lists she is "Chairman" at! http://sck.clevelandclinic.org/florida/physicians/ AHHA, check out margaret .. Medical association ties. http://www.bcma.com/directory.asp Perper's other 'expert' is a pal from his Pennsylvania days! The only outside source I can see is CDC and we know they didn't find anything in his fabricated BS!
1,206 posted on 10/21/2007 9:27:01 AM PDT by nature
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To: sodpoodle

IMO, Dr. Perper has one big thing working against him - there is an “ethical” standard that prevents one doctor from speaking out publically about the practices of another doctor. There is a similar ‘gentleman’s agreement’ between attorneys.

Perper’s lab stated in their report that the substance ANS was injected with was ‘unavailable’ to them, and, amazingly enough, (still) unidentified!!

I’ve always wondered about that little statement. Why the heck Wasn’t it avail or immediately identified by HKS/KE? mark steines followed HKS back to the bahamas, surely he could have volunteered to be a courier back to the ME’s office? how about Bahama PD, Seminole PD, how about Any One? And where’s the syringe LB has jumped up and down claiming he has? Seems to me, all of this is important. And also should be of intense importance to the downline manufacturers - is there a possibility that their products were contaminated and how far-reaching is that?

People should have been running around bagging everything concievable and offering it up willingly and cooperatively to Perper. ANS was injected on Feb 2nd, but neither HKS nor KE ever came right out with - this is what she took, here’s the vial, here’s the box of sharps!

HKS was a very ‘neat’ guy - he dispensed drugs out of cute little paper med cups....HKS carried lots of pretty little bottles in his dark black bag, too...hard to believe he wouldn’t know the whereabouts of every single one of the contents at every single given moment.

Interestingly enough, it was HKS who dropped the hint about looking at the buttocks, (thereby deliberately drawing attention to a.baummanii and p. luteola) but only after some time had passed, according to Perper. This leaves a big ‘why’ in my mind:

http://www.etonline.com/celebrities/spotlight/2007/03/47553/index.html

Dr. Perper also reveals the reasons why the autopsy results took somewhat longer than expected to be announced. One reason is that they had to inspect the body a second time after Anna’s partner, HOWARD K. STERN, mentioned that Anna had complained of discomfort in one of her buttocks.

“The buttocks are not an area which is [normally] dissected during an autopsy, so, we didn’t see anything which was suspicious; therefore we did not dissect the buttocks,” says Perper, who says that a second look at the body revealed “the evidence of severe scarring and fat damage due to multiple injections” that led to the conclusion that a bacterial infection in that region contributed to Anna’s demise.

Another reason involved possible clues that may have been contained in a laptop taken in for evidence.

“It was important to obtain this evidence, which was indeed helpful in disclosing her state of mind after the death of her son,” says Perper, “so that was the reason for the delay [in results]. The reason for the delay was that it was necessary to find out what the proper legal avenue is for obtaining the information without damaging it for other purposes.”

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/09/cnr.06.html
PERPER: But I’m going to question. There are two types of questioning. There is medical questioning and non medical questioning. The police did its own non medical questioning. I’ll do the medical one and I’m going to ask all of the proper questions and this is the ...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/22/sitroom.02.htmlhttp://www.tmz.com/2007/03/25/its-dr-perper-time/

PERPER: ... there was a lot of issues in this process. Some are pure legal issues and those were handled by the judge, who issued today the final decision.

My duty is to make a determination of the cause of death. In other words, I had to say what caused the death, this unfortunate, sudden, unexpected and initially unexplained death. So I have to come on an explanation why she died.

QUESTION: Right.

PERPER: Then, once I do that, I have to make a second determination what is the manner of death. In other words, it’s a natural death, it’s an accident, it’s a suicide or it’s a homicide. All the possibilities are there, but at this time, we don’t have any evidence of foul play.

But this doesn’t mean that things cannot be different in the final determination.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/03/25/its-dr-perper-time/
The photo that is making the rounds shows Anna, eight months pregnant, with an infection on her leg. Sources tell TMZ that it was caused by an injection. [note: i only have a cropped version of that photo, no legs showing - wonder if here’s a ‘leg’ version circulating somewhere?]


1,279 posted on 10/22/2007 12:12:45 AM PDT by blueplum ([IC - ICE -(ice bath)])
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