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The Hobbit Hole XXXIV - But better than rain or rippling streams...

Posted on 08/07/2007 7:52:15 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!

Sing hey! for the bath at close of day
That washes the weary mud away!
A loon is he that will not sing:
O! Water Hot is anoble thing!

O! Sweet is the sound of falling rain.
and the brook that leaps from hill to plain;
but better than rain or rippling streams
is Water Hot that smokes and steams.

O! Water cold we may pour at need
down a thirsty throat and be glad indeed;
but better is Beer, if drink we lack,
and Water Hot poured down the back.

O! Water is fair that leaps on high
in a fountain white beneath the sky;
but never did fountain sound so sweet
as splashing Hot Water with my feet!

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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB

Thanks, FRiends...


1,141 posted on 08/22/2007 9:16:48 AM PDT by 2Jedismom (5 more days.)
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To: 2Jedismom

Eek, I guess so! Keep us posted, 2J!


1,142 posted on 08/22/2007 10:20:21 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog

Sure!


1,143 posted on 08/22/2007 10:20:58 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: HairOfTheDog
Right. I don’t know how good the battery is, but we’d have the generator. Hooking up our real computers to the generator is both a bigger hassle (more power needed) and a little risky isn’t it?... I mean, the power output on the generator may be a little variable, and that in itself is not good with computers, isn’t it? The laptop, we wouldn’t care so much.

With wonky power, especially in the country, a UPS is a good investment for all computers. Keep an eye on UPS sales at your local computer super store. You want to buy locally because shipping costs are series for something so heavy.

Besides keeping you going through short outages, a UPS also acts as a line conditioner to help you through brownouts. It will also protect your equipment if you're running a generator. Get a UPS big enough to keep your two (?) desktop systems running for at least 15 minutes.

A UPS uses lead-acid batteries, like in a car. They are the least susceptible to "memory" and loss of capacity over time. Laptop batteries, even the best ones, lose significant capacity after three years. By then, "fresh" replacement batteries (unless they're a common type still in production) are hard to find. By old IBM laptop works great, but I could only get about an hour of battery time now since the battery is five years old. And all the "replacement" batteries are just as old.

Your "emergency" laptop, and dialup connection, can last a long time if you power them off that big honkin' UPS after your shut down your desktop systems.

Oh, and think about a small UPS just to power your cable modem or router, too. Stable power will help with keeping the network up and trouble-free.

1,144 posted on 08/22/2007 1:37:23 PM PDT by 300winmag (Life is hard! It is even harder when you are stupid!)
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To: 300winmag; HairOfTheDog; RosieCotton

In the “sheesh, somebody does have worse luck than the Stormhands” dept., wife just told me that during the storm the other night lightning fried our nayber’s (and wife’s boss lady) son’s computer AND hot tub. The hot tub is under warranty...but storms aren’t covered.

Then today at a sales presentation, she fell and the hand cart rolled over her. She’s okay, just bruised and a little bloody.

‘Course she won’t be able to relax in the hot tub tonight.


1,145 posted on 08/22/2007 1:42:51 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: Corin Stormhands; 300winmag

Well, I suppose it’s comforting to know it’s not just you. :~)

Winmag, we have thought of getting a UPS... it’s on the wish list. At the moment we turn off the machines and unplug the surge protectors from the wall if the power is getting iffy.


1,146 posted on 08/22/2007 2:01:05 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; ecurbh; Ramius; RosieCotton; SuziQ; osagebowman; All
It's official. I just got Monday night back.

Janeane Garofalo is joining the cast of "24"

1,147 posted on 08/22/2007 2:01:09 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: 300winmag; HairOfTheDog; RosieCotton

My .02 on generators and UPS’s, since I’ve been around this tree a little bit:

Not all UPS will work with a generator. It has to be designed specifically to operate off a generator or it may cycle on/off rapidly and damage the UPS. I ruined an APC 600 that way. Oops. I don’t remember the technical details but it isn’t so much about the quality of the power, it’s something about the waveform or some such that the circuitry just can’t figure out what to do.

The APC website has a good section about generators, IIRC.

Depending on what other loads are on the genset, the generator may actually provide *cleaner* power than the utility company does. There are dips and spikes in utility power due to loads elsewhere on the grid. If the loads on a genset are constant then the power will be really clean.

That’s not true of course if there are variable loads like a refrigerator, water heater, electric heater and such or if the total load is close to the max for the generator.

When the power was out for a few days last winter I just bypassed the UPS and ran the desktops direct from the generator without any trouble at all.

I’m still tardy getting a UPS that likes generators. Got to do that one of these days.


1,148 posted on 08/22/2007 2:03:30 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Corin Stormhands

I saw that. It has to be some kind of joke, right?

I thought rule one in writing was: “Know your audience”.

What in the world are they thinking?


1,149 posted on 08/22/2007 2:05:45 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: RosieCotton; HairOfTheDog; Corin Stormhands; TalonDJ; JenB; SuziQ; Ramius; Rose in RoseBear; ...

Thank you all so much for your kind words. We just got in and the doc suspects the same thing I do...dehydration leading to electrolytes out of whack, leading to the cramp which was excruciating, leading the to spell.

The doc is running a bunch of tests, including a stress test on Saturday.

He is out in the shop...with gatorade.

/sneakin’


1,150 posted on 08/22/2007 2:06:27 PM PDT by 2Jedismom (4 more days.)
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To: 2Jedismom

Hang in there, 2J. :-)


1,151 posted on 08/22/2007 2:06:47 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: 2Jedismom

Good news 2J :~)


1,152 posted on 08/22/2007 2:08:37 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands; Ramius; ecurbh

Well, unless we get to see her vividly killed... again. :~)


1,153 posted on 08/22/2007 2:09:27 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom

Here’s hoping that’s all it was! Glad he’s doing OK now.


1,154 posted on 08/22/2007 2:09:45 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
In the “sheesh, somebody does have worse luck than the Stormhands” dept., wife just told me that during the storm the other night lightning fried our nayber’s (and wife’s boss lady) son’s computer AND hot tub. The hot tub is under warranty...but storms aren’t covered.

Sorry to hear that.

I forgot to mention that respectable brands of UPS systems (I only buy APC) carry an insurance policy that provides several thousands of dollars of coverage on the equipment plugged in to it. A lightning hit (usually a secondary EM pulse) should fry the UPS and keep the computers safe. Whole-house lightning protection can also be added between the pole power line and your circuit box.

1,155 posted on 08/22/2007 2:10:54 PM PDT by 300winmag (Life is hard! It is even harder when you are stupid!)
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To: Ramius
Not all UPS will work with a generator. It has to be designed specifically to operate off a generator or it may cycle on/off rapidly and damage the UPS

Very good point. I remember something about that from wayyyyy back in the foggy places in my memory.

A UPS that would work well with a generator would be a nifty combination, though...

1,156 posted on 08/22/2007 2:12:27 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton

Yah. They’re a little spendy as I recall.


1,157 posted on 08/22/2007 2:14:26 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius; Corin Stormhands
Yah. They’re a little spendy as I recall.

A good UPS what won't work with a generator is better than no UPS at all. Also, the external power supply on a laptop acts like a mini line conditioner. It turns AC into the (usually) 6 volt DC the laptop battery needs. A new laptop power supply is easier and cheaper to find than a new battery.


1,158 posted on 08/22/2007 2:20:52 PM PDT by 300winmag (Life is hard! It is even harder when you are stupid!)
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To: 300winmag

Oh, yes... definitely agree.


1,159 posted on 08/22/2007 2:30:59 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: 300winmag

Lordy...what happened in that picture?


1,160 posted on 08/22/2007 3:36:21 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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