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USC College theoretical physicist Itzhak Bars has pioneered efforts to discern how a second dimension of time could help physicists better explain the laws of nature. Photo credit: Don Milici

A Two-Time Universe? Physicist Explores How Second Dimension of Time Could Unify Physics Laws

1 posted on 05/20/2007 9:00:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 05/20/2007 9:00:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 18, 2007.)
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To: SunkenCiv

And to think that the puzzle came about all by itself. Yeah, right.


3 posted on 05/20/2007 9:05:02 PM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is a satanic cult.)
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To: SunkenCiv

So that’s what the two timer looks like.


4 posted on 05/20/2007 9:05:58 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: SunkenCiv; Alamo-Girl; betty boop

Interesting.

Seems to this layman . . . given that there clearly IS SOME sort of time in Heaven per the Heavenly visitors who’ve returned to tell about conditions there . . .

that is . . . things do not ALL HAPPEN AT ONCE. There is SOME sort of linearity of a time sort . . .

Yet Heaven’s time is clearly NOT OURS. Evidently ‘days’ spent there can equal minutes here or some such.

Perhaps the fellow is discerning some keen reality.


5 posted on 05/20/2007 9:19:49 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s another ‘gaseous Vulcan’.

M-theory isn’t even well-defined, being instead a vague collection of proposed patches to string theory that still hasn’t produced a testable prediction (or, maybe has—in which case it’s been proved wrong since we don’t observe the ‘dilaton’), so now Bars proposes to patch M-theory (whatever that is) with a second temporal dimension.

More cynically, M-theory is a way for string theorists to keep sopping up all the grant money, even though their theory has failed for 40 years to produced any actual progress, rather than allowing funding to be diverted to any of the radically different approaches like Connes’ recovery of the Standard Model from noncommutative geometry, or the more algebraic approached to quantum gravity of folks like Barrett, Crane, Isham, Rovelli or Smolin.


8 posted on 05/20/2007 9:35:11 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: SunkenCiv

The second dimension of time, similar to extra physical dimensions, is very tiny and possibly rolled up and hidden. In terms of duration, the second dimension of time is the interval between the traffic light turning green and the guy behind you hitting his horn. Intervals this small are very hard to measure, which is why we only conceive of the one time dimension.


14 posted on 05/20/2007 10:03:53 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: SunkenCiv
With two times...many of the mysteries of today's laws of physics may disappear.

Many of the principles of logic would disappear also.

It may not be my place to say this, since I'm not a physicist, but stuff like this can only come from an overeducated pinhead...

15 posted on 05/20/2007 10:18:45 PM PDT by csense
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To: SunkenCiv

BTTT.


16 posted on 05/20/2007 10:48:24 PM PDT by TBP
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting but.. I can’t help think that, to expound on my analogy of String Theory further, they have simply decided to start using their left hand, backwards..


18 posted on 05/21/2007 8:10:36 AM PDT by Paradox (In the final analysis, its mostly a team sport, Principles cast off like yesterdays free agents.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The premise of this thread and most of the comments make my head hurt.


20 posted on 05/21/2007 8:35:27 AM PDT by oldsalt (There's no such thing as a free lunch.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Which time would Jim Croce have wanted to save in a bottle: time1 or time2?
23 posted on 05/21/2007 5:38:30 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: SunkenCiv
Okay. Maybe been done already, or would have except for the untimely sudden fatal appendicitis of the great Minkowski.
24 posted on 05/21/2007 5:42:43 PM PDT by bvw
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Physics News Update: Time and Time Again
by Phil Schewe and Ben Stein
Number 829, June 19, 2007
The addition of an extra time and an extra space dimension, together with a requirement that all motion in the enlarged space be symmetric under an interchange of position and momentum at any instant, reproduces all possible dynamics in ordinary spacetime, and brings to light many relationships and hidden symmetries that are actually present in our own universe... Bars... says that his theory explains CP conservation in the strong interactions described by QCD without the need for a new particle, the axion, which has not been found in experiments. It also explains the fact that the elliptical orbit of planets remains fixed (not counting well-known tiny precessions). This “Runge-Lenz” symmetry effect has remained somewhat mysterious in the study of celestial mechanics, but now could be understood as being due to the symmetry of rotations into the fourth space dimension.

51 posted on 06/27/2007 7:17:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 27, 2007.)
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