Posted on 04/19/2007 11:06:38 AM PDT by redstates4ever
"I'm incredibly bitter today. And disgusted. What the Supreme Court did today is nothing short of repugnant. I can't say that I'm exactly surprised that a group of conservative men chose to expand federal powers and sanction torture for women today by declaring the ban on late term abortions that President Bush signed in 1993 does not violate the Constitution.
No, not surprised that people who will never have any idea of what it means to be forced to choose between your own life or that of the fetus you're carrying would make such an emotional and irrational decision. None of these men will ever be forced to carry a fetus against their will. This decision will never impact them at all - all their wives, daughters, and mistresses are well off enough that they can fly to a more humane country if something unforeseen and awful happens during their pregnancies. It's the normal, every day women who will suffer. And what do they care? They got to make their point.
Does my life mean so little? Do the Supreme Court justices really think they have such vast medical expertise and personal knowledge of my health and personal life that they - not my doctor and not me - should be making my medical decisions? I realize that at the time the Constitution was written, women didn't really have any rights - but do they really think putting my health on the level of livestock is really the way to go?
Less than 2% of abortions occur after 21 weeks. Women do not run around getting knocked up willy nilly for the sheer pleasure of having invasive and painful surgeries, and they especially do not look forward to have to make a choice between getting chemo for cancer or sacrificing their lives for a healthy baby. Most men that I know do not want to face fatherhood alone - they do not want children enough to let their wives die for it. They do not look forward to the idea of letting the kid visit mommy in the graveyard.
It kills me - kills me - that pro-forced childbirth advocates are so happy about this! Do they think they've just saved countless lives? Do they honestly and truly think that this decision will stop late term abortions from happening? I know, I know, they don't give a rat's ass about the reality of the situation - just their f**ked up, rose-colored glasses worldview. "
(my edit on the swear word in the last sentence)
This thread should’ve been under Homosexual Agenda. If these two don’t make you want to swear off women, I don’t know what will!
Yeah, I’ve always wondered why Lesbians or women who will only conceive by artificial insemination are the ones with such a personal stake in abortion.
“Don’t worry your little head there missy.”
ROFL! Good one. I love making feminist loonies angry!
Ok "Ms." Butch... show me where in the U.S. Constitution is that so-called "privacy clause."
At least a third of British women will have had an abortion by the time they reach the age of 45, according to the Royal College.
Properly used contraceptives do fail and there are occasions where a pregnant woman's life is at risk. But, and this is a very big but, both of these "reasons" for unlimited abortion for convenience are extremely rare. Another example of the leftist "logic" of going from the micro to the macro. A form of reasoning that conveniently allows one to justify pretty much anything. Which makes it very useful to the left.
She looks like a quart of Jack and a six pack to begin with...
Well, I guess you could say the baby can relate. Correction,, it doesn't kill her at all,, it kills the baby. So, the baby can't really relate to her "pain and suffering." My mistake. And as for the "reality" of the situation?? Reality would be her posing with a vacuum cleaner and a dirty old bucket instead of a coat hanger. Reality?? She cries out for "reality??" Is she serious??? No,, she can't be!!. Reality would be too much for her to bare. She hides from it. If one day her eyes were suddenly opened and she were confronted with the reality that she advocates and has advocated,, the death of millions of babies for little more than the pleasure of man and woman, she would be crushed under the weight of it. The fruit of our wombs for the sin of our souls.
“I believe that if a woman TRULY HAS a life threatening illness like a rapidly spreading cancer or something and is pregnant that doctors will give her a choice with or without this ruling instead of telling her she HAS to carry the baby to term before being able to start chemo, have surgery, etc.”
This is missing the point.
No one is saying doctors have to make sick mothers carry to full term.
A PBA is a specific procedure used later in pregnancy.
The cervix is dilated, instruments inserted to move baby to breach position, baby is delivered past the shoulders.
With only the head remaining inside, scissors stab into the neck, tube is inserted to suck out the brain.
THE POINT?
This procedure is traumatic -it is stressful.
It is much more stressful than a head first delivery or emergency C-Section.
Many of these babies are at a viable age and may survive if given a chance.
If the goal is “only” to save the life of the mother, they should opt for the less traumatic procedure - head first delivery - and see if they can save both patients.
“You know, that’s a good question. I’ve often wondered why too. Everyone knows it’s available in so many different forms that it’s ridiculous for anyone to have an unwanted pregnancy.”
it obviously doesn’t work.
Many people get pregnant despite the condom.
Fewer get pregnant on the pill - but it does happen.
An acquaintance of mine got pregnant while on the pill.
I’m not sure what the failure rates are for all the methods, but they all have failure rates.
I even know one woman who - at the age of 42 and having had a tubal ligation over 5 yrs. ago - just gave birth to a baby boy last year.
I think contraception gives people a false sense of invincibility, so the women probably aren’t keeping track of their most fertile time - during ovulation.
As it turns out, that is when women are most interested in sex.
So...they use fallible birth control methods during their most fertile time.
Pregnancy is bound to happen sooner or later.
I really don’t understand how killing the baby saves the mom. Can anyone explain what in the heck they are talking about? In the time it would take to kill one, you could deliver it by c-section.
Liberals wouldn't know truth if it kicked them in the butt...so they don't have to refer to actual facts.
Blatant use of the absurd coat-hanger symbol proves there is no argument, just the perennial need to demagogue an issue in the usual thoroughly irrelevant ways.( I would really like to see some statistics on just how many times it was proven that the dreaded “coathanger” was used to perform “secret” abortions-—for that matter, just how many “back-alleys” there were to serve as the site for all those abortions. Probably a half-dozen verifiable cases, is my guess.) These fools year after year keep bringing the issue back to square one,like they have the most severe form of A.D.D., and spout all their tired cliches with evident pride of authorship,AS IF THEY ARE THE FIRST ONES TO SAY IT.
They ignore the 35 years of reasonable debate that has already taken place; they’re not interested in it. They seek to return this issue to dishonest “terms of engagement” that did not exist even 34 years ago, when Roe V. Wade was decided.
And once again, these rantings, this totally disingenuous statement of the issue, prove that what is really wrong with the abortionistas is that they seem to think THAT ABORTION IS A POSITIVE VALUE IN AND OF ITSELF.
Funny, I’ve asked that same question or made the observation half a dozen times on FR, but no one seems to pick up on it or show any appreciation of its striking irony. WHY, following so quickly on the heels of the most effective birth control devices ever created, WHY, when because of that, you would assume that unwanted pregnancies would drop precipitously down to nothing, WHY, at exactly that time, was there such a burning need for legislation like Roe V. Wade? No one has EVER, to my knowledge, answered that question, or even tried to offer any insights into it. The obvious answer is that the birth control so dramatically broke loose ALL conventional common sense about when and with whom to have sex, that it opened a floodgate of unwanted pregnancies from populations that were at the same time too undisciplined to take advantage of the birth control in a serious and regulated way.
“I really don’t understand how killing the baby saves the mom. Can anyone explain what in the heck they are talking about? In the time it would take to kill one, you could deliver it by c-section.”
Despite what msm new anchors tell us, it is never necessary to torture and kill the innocent baby.
Granted...it is true a mother may need to “terminate” the pregnancy, but ending a pregnancy does not necessitate killing the baby especially when they are viable infants.
A head first delivery or emergency c-section would place less stress on a sick mother than this barbaric procedure.
The premature infant may still die, but they should be given a fighting chance.
The only reason for this procedure is to kill an innocent child.
Abortionists have conceded most of PBAs are carried out on healthy mothers and healthy babies.
I am hearing on the msm that no woman would want to go through this unless absolutely necessary.
Hogwash...that is a complete lie.
The WIRE HANGER ARGUEMENT WAS BOGUS...
here is a link from Dr Bernard Nathanson he was the Leading abortionist in the Initial years he was the chap that invented the Coat Hanger scenario he admits he made it all up and that all his statistics were made up TOO!
Nathanson Committed over 75,000 abortions and later converted to Catholicism.
here is the link to his confession...
http://www.aboutabortions.com/Confess.html
I know this, thanks anyway.
http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_27.asp
The above Link shows that the year 1972 the Liberals Claimed 1 Million Abortions and 10,000 died from complications. However the chart in the Link shows actually 39 Died including Misscarriages. USA have been tracking this statistic since 1940’s.
The liberal Media lies about this alot!
CNN WORLD REPORT in 1989 did a documentary claiming in Brazil 6 Million Illegal Abortions a Year and 400,000 Women died from this Illegal Practice. The UN handbook statistics however show in 1988 40,000 died in the age group 15 to 44 from ALL Causes.. CNN news thats neither Fair but Imbalanced.
This is a SICK JOKE the Liberals have played on the world!
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