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To: nature

hey nature :) sorry it took me so long to get back to you on this, but I wanted to dig up some links for yu :)

>>>where are you getting your dates,you don’t give many sources.

sorry, I was being lazy - a lot of this is old stuff that’s been hashed over or deductive reasoning

>>> Like anna going to the H sept 4th. Her Csection video shows she goes the same day DL is born.

according to a Doctor’s Hospital press release (since pulled from the net), ANS was discharged from Doctor’s Hospital, “where she had been since Tuesday”. Also, nanny’s account.

>>>June 6 Daniel???

June of ‘06 - breakup with girlfriend, stomach pains and, accordng to HKS, depression. Jun/Jul ‘06 - from Giancola and others:
“Illegal Aliens’ director DAVID GIANCOLA had a different view of Daniel’s condition right before he died. In the month leading up to Daniel’s sudden death on Sept. 10, Giancola says the 20-year-old was reportedly in and out of the hospital for an elevated heart rate. “He was really sick,” the director tells ET. “Daniel was hospitalized **multiple*** times for an elevated heart rate. At one point he went to the ICU for a short period of time. This was easily two months to a month and a half before his death.”
http://etonline.com/celebrities/spotlight/47509/index.html
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,26334,1534756_2,00.html

>>>Stern meets with Daniel on the 18?? Stern never gave a date that I recall.

Sep 27th, ‘07 - HKS on LKL
KING: And when was the last time, Howard, that you saw him?
STERN: I saw him right before I came out here **for the second time**, so I think I saw him, you know, I’m not sure. It was probably **about a month before that**.

[HKS is saying, as I interpret it, that he saw Daniel ‘a month before’ HKS (” I “) came to the Bahamas for the ‘second time’. ANS flew to the Bahamas, on July 18th. HKS followed a few weeks later, in August, after the Shelleys had located and purchased the Horizons (three weeks) and said were waiting for HKS to review the documents. (so HKS hadn’t been out yet, to ‘review the docs’ by 3wks from July 18, or Aug 9th or so). That would be the earliest ‘first time’. HKS states he came twice and apparently the “second” time was sometime close to Aug 18-26, to make the ‘clown tape’. This puts the date he last saw DS ‘one month before’ at, or very very close to July 18th - the same day ANS flew to the Bahamas. It is also not illogical, that since he was in Los Angeles, for ANS to send him to go make sure Daniel was ok, during Daniel’s 3-day ICU stay commencing July 18th]

(continuing interview)
KING: And how long — how soon before he died?
STERN: That’s what I’m saying it was about **a month before he died**.
KING: A month.
STERN: Something like that

[now HKS seems to be changing horses in mid-stream - If he saw DS ‘a month before he died’ then that would put him in contact with Daniel circa Aug 9th, (one month before Sep 9th). I threw Aug 9 out, as the ‘second time’ HKS came to Bahamas because it just doesn’t work with the timeline the shelley’s have given us already.(3 weeks to find/refurbish/wait on HK); therefore, I believe the date of July 18th is the one that applies, for above-stated reasons, which is the same date of ANS’s arrival on New Providence.]

>>>KE leaving Sept 8? Arrives back 11??

KE said (proudly) she was with ANS ‘before, the birth of her daughter, for, the birth of her daughter, and, after, the death of her son. That puts her in Bahamas on the 7th. To get back to Los Angeles, KE had to fly to Miami, then a two-leg flight to Calif - flying most of a day, putting her back in Los Angeles on the 8th and 9th.

KE states she saw Daniel prior to his flight, on the 9th.

Daniel flew out the 9th, also making a two-leg flight to Miami, then Bahamas. Daniel died in the late morning of the 10th.

KE has said in various ways she was with ANS immediately after the death of Daniel. KE had ample time to fly on the 10th or 11th. I put it at the 11th, because that’s what ‘immediately’ or ‘right away’ means to me. The ‘shopping list’ confirms that she was definitely there by the 15th:
The shopping list of 9/15 was faxed from the Bahamas. Kapoor states he spoke with both HKS and KE asking both if ANS was breastfeeding. Below link says “>>>sent the fax from the Bahamas...<<<<
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259841,00.html
also, ‘death of her son’...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259106,00.html

>>>I am a stickler for detail verification so I hope you will be patient with me blueplum.

no problem. :) :) I enjoy discussing how i look at timelines and how others do also -most of what we acocmplish is just speculation surrounded by obscure quotes or photos or (very very limited) testimony. So the more people thinking about it, the better!! :)


16,557 posted on 10/05/2007 5:11:57 AM PDT by blueplum ([IC - ICE -(ice bath)])
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To: blueplum; nature

I hope the inquest *investigators* are keying in on your *event* timelines between KE, HK$ and Daniel - when Daniel shows symptoms of lethal anxiety, OR drug reaction (?) sufficient to be frequently hospitalized.

If KE and HK$ can be placed in the company of Daniel on each of these occasions, that should be evidence enough to consider them suspects in his death.

Incremental killing!!!!


16,558 posted on 10/05/2007 7:47:03 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair -Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: blueplum

Afterthought!

Daniel reported that HK$ limited or restricted his contact with Anna once she was in the Bahamas.

So it must have been a shock when HK$ left Anna & Daniel alone in that hospital room together, just to get FOOD. Surprising that he didn’t *demand* Daniel go with him. Daniel finally had an opportunity to tell his mother about his fear and distrust of HK$. Wonder if he did?

What was so important that HK$ would risk Daniel’s quiet time with his mother????? Did he know there would be no more quiet time between mother and son?


16,559 posted on 10/05/2007 8:12:21 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair -Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: blueplum

OH! You are ‘esitmating’ approx dates. I thought you found linked actual dates.
“since Tueday” was the pneumonia not birth.
Daniel’s hospital times change. Giancola I don’t consider a reliable source. He was anna’s pr liar. He doesn’t even know if it was a month or a month and a half. Same with HKS, he says about a month, no date. KE, well, another one I am cautious of. Did she really see Daniel or was she playing HKS’s pr liar? Somewhere in the beginning IIRC she said she ‘talked’ to DS not ‘seen’ Daniel. The fact the Bahamas doesn’t even have her on the list makes me suspect also.


16,561 posted on 10/05/2007 6:41:42 PM PDT by nature
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