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Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3

Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys

Thread Number 3


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: aboutthebaby; anna; annanicole; ans; deadwrongdaddy; getalife; giveitup; hksisafillintheblank; howietheleach; ilovelarry; killingmesoftly; larryisawesome; larryisthedaddy; larrysalunatic; lazyboylarry; lovechild; movealong; nojusticenopeace; oneheroinevirgie; overbonbonsdeadbody; prayersfordannielynn; ritaisaliar; ritaisnotaliar; shameonlarry; spermdonorsanonymous; sternsaresquatters; teambirkhead; thefatladywarmingup; thefirm; turkeybasterd; virgieisevil; virgieisnotevil
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To: apocalypto
I still don't understand perper's call. He said it wasn't murder because he couldn't prove it. He could have signed off with the ambiguous call...the third call he had. Wonder how he likes his new summer home? :-) And/Or what video Howard has of Perper!! Blackmail and fraud seems to be Howard's real bag. The "timely" M's made everything work!!

He was in Seidlin's court on the very day they were REALLY, REALLY supposed to get married!! Geez...does Howard think everyone is dumb!!

And remember, Howard said he didn't want to get married but he said "Anna did". That doesn't go along with what KE said!!

Just little reminders to keep the thread alive and a little bit on the inconsistancies.

14,661 posted on 08/09/2007 9:16:41 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: apocalypto; Sacajaweau
Thanks for agreeing with me. Most of my posts are just my opinions since I'm not 'computer savvy' enough to know how to do all the research etc.

Haven't felt up to par the last few days, so I haven't been following things as closely as I should. But I didn't think doctors were suppose to release information about their patients. I thought there was such a thing as "doctor/patient confidentiality", and the same for "lawyer/client confidentiality". Am I wrong? I hate like the mischief for HKS to win any lawsuits, but I was wondering if there needed to be one. What do you bet, if HKS hadn't intervened and they had shown the breast implant surgery that Larry Birkhead would have sued on behalf of Dannielyn? I think he and HKS will use any means they can to delay an inquest into the death of Daniel and ANS!

14,662 posted on 08/09/2007 9:21:02 AM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: Sacajaweau

“””He said it wasn’t murder because he couldn’t prove it.””

As you have pointed out - not Perper’s JOB to prove manner of death - only cause. It is up to a grand jury, coroner’s inquest or the DA to prove manner - accidental, homicide or suicide.

Perper’s verdict - cause = drug overdose!

Common sense verdict - manner = drug overdose administered by 2 murderers.


14,663 posted on 08/09/2007 9:23:40 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Rte66

Glad to see you back!! Have you got your problems ironed out with the old computer, or have you received another one? Regardless, it’s good to have you back.


14,664 posted on 08/09/2007 9:25:27 AM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: PeskyOne
I'm almost certain that there are law cases where "patient" confidentiality ends with death. But maybe you have to get to a certain phase of a case and no one is going after KE anyways....

"Larry Cares??????" Naw...It likely is tied to some truth in the "Larry was a sperm donor" statement. If he spills on KE, she spills on him. Sounds a little logical.

Soul? Money?...Soul? Money?...Soul? Money

Wonder what could/would change if they found out conclusively that Larry was in fact a donor by agreement and had agreed to make no claim on Dannie Lynn.

14,665 posted on 08/09/2007 9:32:59 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Sacajaweau
Wonder what could/would change if they found out conclusively that Larry was in fact a donor by agreement and had agreed to make no claim on Dannie Lynn.

Now that is an interesting question! You may have just 'uncovered' what HKS has on LB to keep him in line! If LB was just a 'sperm donor', you can bet HKS would threaten him with exposing it or with some law statute (real or unreal) that caused LB to capitulate to doing HKS bidding! This saga has more questions than most.

I talked with a lady who had lived in Puerto Rico for several years and knew quite alot about the Bahamas and the Virgin Islands. She said their governments were very corrupt and family controlled. I'm beginning to think South Florida is too.

14,666 posted on 08/09/2007 10:13:57 AM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: Sacajaweau

“”””Wonder what could/would change if they found out conclusively that Larry was in fact a donor by agreement and had agreed to make no claim on Dannie Lynn.”””

Would this have been a binding, legal contract in California or any other State? If such an agreement existed, it would have provided effective blackmail for & against both Anna & Larry - so whose idea could that possibly have been?

Inasmuch as Howard controlled every breath that Anna drew in public & private, there is no way he would have let her pregnancy be normal, uncontrolled and uncontrived.


14,667 posted on 08/09/2007 10:32:51 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: PeskyOne
I'm starting to think "sperm donor" may be the bottom line in all this.

The statement by Howard that Danny said on the way to the hospital "He couldn't believe he had a blood relative".

Those are ATTORNEY words not the words of a young man.

These were BEFORE Danny died obviously so why were they said? Was Howard starting to prove his case that this was her legal heir "in his mind" already?

Think about the opposite....Dannie Lynn had a blood brother...for three days and he died under very strange circumstances less than 8 hours AFTER "See we're all Alive and Happy" PICTURES WERE TAKEN!!

Please keep this thread alive. So much time has passed already. We're seeing Larry and Howard profit...and absolutely nothing on the inquest.

We know nothing about the Horizons either. Wonder what videos Howard has on the real owner?

14,668 posted on 08/09/2007 11:03:02 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: sodpoodle
The trick seems to be "at this point"...

Suppose Larry fessed up that there was an agreement that he was a sperm donor and gave up all rights by agreement.

He'd sink to a new low. No one would believe anything he said...In other words, he wouldn't be a credible witness.

To say it was all Howard's idea???...That would tank Larry further and the almighty law might even consider him a co-conspirator in TWO murders if we can ever get to that point (though I believe Larry had ABSOLUTELY NO PART OR KNOWLEDGE PRIO TO THE DEATHS.

It may account for no action regarding that custody suit which is still pending.

14,669 posted on 08/09/2007 11:09:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: sodpoodle
As attorney for the estate of ANS, old Howard is certainly protecting the interests of a dead Anna far more effectively than he protected her life, in life.

In her lifetime he exploited her in disgraceful ways and made her a laughing stock to the public while lining his pockets with her money! I don't believe he loved her...you don't destroy a person's self esteem and value as a human being; you try to build them up and have people respect them. LB should be bored to the hollow horn for ever making a deal with HKS.

I don't understand these judges ruling for HKS and, supposedly, reputable attorneys taking his cases! I can't believe all attorneys are interested in the almighty dollar rather than justice, but it appears some are. I hope and pray they are exposed and never allowed to capitalize from evil and dishonest means again.

14,670 posted on 08/09/2007 1:08:31 PM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: PeskyOne

“””I can’t believe all attorneys are interested in the almighty dollar rather than justice, but it appears some are. I hope and pray they are exposed and never allowed to capitalize from evil and dishonest means again.”””

I cannot believe there are no investigative reporters, crime authors, former prosecutors, former judges, former FBI agents and former victims - pursuing the two ‘professional’ sociopaths we amateurs have discussed here.


14,671 posted on 08/09/2007 1:33:34 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Sacajaweau

“””I believe Larry had ABSOLUTELY NO PART OR KNOWLEDGE PRIOR TO THE DEATHS.”””

What we *might* have here is a Texas Standoff. Larry has enough first hand knowledge to sink Howie and Howie has enough stuff to ruin Larry’s public image.

Time is their mutual enemy. It will catch up with Howie and Dannielynn will reach her 21st birthday. And old Khristine is the elephant in the room!


14,672 posted on 08/09/2007 1:53:53 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: PeskyOne

“”””””In her lifetime he exploited her in disgraceful ways ......I don’t believe he loved her...you don’t destroy a person’s self esteem...””””

I think you are right on the money ...I believe in his twisted mind, Anna was just a commodity that he philosophically despised. He played a game of “sucking it up” chasing the Marshall money. Anna did not respect HK$ unless dependent upon him for advice and drugs. He had exhausted her ‘celebrity’ - the pregnancy provided the last opportunity for exploitation. Anna was obsolete - she had to give birth and Daniel had to die before reaching maturity. If Daniel had survived Anna, he would have certainly found another lawyer to handle her estate.

Daniel had to die before Anna - and he did.
Anna had to give birth to an heir - or Virgie would have been her next of kin.


14,673 posted on 08/09/2007 2:19:36 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: PeskyOne

One of the exceptions to the doctor/patient confidentiality is when the patient signs a release. Dr. Johnson said he routinely recorded surgeries and he had an agreement to keep the video confidential “during the patient’s lifetime.”


14,674 posted on 08/09/2007 3:41:36 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: sodpoodle; PeskyOne

You both have hit the nail on the head. Good observations.


14,675 posted on 08/09/2007 3:45:27 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Sacajaweau

Good observations.


14,676 posted on 08/09/2007 3:47:16 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: sodpoodle
Too bad all of us "super sleuths" don't live in the same city or town. We could get together, open our own investigative office, and deal someone a lot of grief! LOL We would need to get a couple of attorneys to join us to keep us out of illegal mischief, but with the talent some have shown for researching and keeping records, we ought to do a creditable job. About all I could do would be type up y'all's drafts and help analyze the information you brought in. Can't you just visualize a roomful of women of varying ages and backgrounds sitting around a conference room solving the unsolved crimes? I have no doubt we would be very successful.

Sac told me to keep this thread going, so I'm trying. :-)

14,677 posted on 08/09/2007 3:48:00 PM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: sodpoodle
I'm praying that our little real Texan...Virgie...is holding aces. Things have been very quiet in that arena. She's no dummy and would never "fold" to Howard.

Larry folded. He was easy!!

14,678 posted on 08/09/2007 3:51:57 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: PeskyOne
That would have been great. The second best is this thread. If only we had more clout to push for an investigation. I think I’ll try to email Greta again and Kimberly and Nancy. Lately Nancy has not had Dr. Josef Perker (or did I miss him?). This would be a perfect project for Mark Fuhrman.
14,679 posted on 08/09/2007 3:57:19 PM PDT by apocalypto
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