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Questions about Fred Thompson
03/29/07 | Kevin Davis

Posted on 03/29/2007 5:48:35 PM PDT by KevinDavis

I have some questions about Fred Thompson that needs to be answered.

1. Besides being a Senator and an Actor, what else has he done?

2. Is this the same Fred Thompson that was rolled over by John Glenn in the Chinagate hearings?

3. Is this the same Fred Thompson that supported McCain and voted for the McCain/Fiengold bill?

4. Why is it ok for Fred Thompson to start as Pro-Choice and end up as Pro-Life but not ok for others like Romney?

5. Does he have any executive experience?


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To: KevinDavis

If you know who you are, the opinions of others (right, wrong, or indifferent) are irrelevant. If who you are is shaped by what you think others think of you, you must be bill klintoon...


61 posted on 03/29/2007 8:16:24 PM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

"9) As you may know, former Governor Tommy Thompson also served in the Bush administration, and is a well-liked politician. What do you think he would give to change his first name to Fred?"

A truck load of wisconsin's finest cheese!


62 posted on 03/29/2007 8:47:20 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: KevinDavis

"It is a shame that people are getting flamed for asking questions."

You have to understand that some of us have been on these other threads were the rudyphiles have been trying to drag fred thompson through the mud because they see him as the biggest threat to rudy's popularity. Facts don't matter to them - merely that they can spread FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt) about Thompson.

There have been many "fred is pro choice/ he's a flip flopper" threads where I have posted the information about his pro life group endorsement from the start, his pro life voting record, and the pro life voting record of his allegedly "pro choice" opponent.

You know what happens when you bring out that information? The people trying to paint Fred Thompson as a pro-choice flip flopper don't respond. Indeed, one person in particular was shown this information then abandoned that thread, only to post a nearly identical "fred is pro choice" thread less than an hour later. I posted that information on the new thread, and guess what- not one acknowledgement from him / her of that information.

Sorry if you're getting a tough time on all this, but just about everything you posted at the top has been used many times in the past couple weeks in an attempt to smear Thompson.


63 posted on 03/29/2007 8:54:35 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: KevinDavis; Howlin; carlo3b; girlangler; KoRn; Shortstop7; Lunatic Fringe; Darnright; babygene; ...
I have some questions about Fred Thompson that needs to be answered.

Most of your questions have been asked and answered numerous times. Nevertheless, I'll provide some links for you to research.

Additional Views of Chairman Fred Thompson

Another Beltway Bubba

In the Line of Fire

No Tennessee Waltz

The Star Stays Out

That should get you started...if you want more, let me know. I've got lots of links! :)

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64 posted on 03/29/2007 9:25:35 PM PDT by jellybean (FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT! Proud to be an Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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To: KevinDavis
Using this Amazing Patented Resource , you can find the answers you seek.

LOL

:O)

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65 posted on 03/29/2007 9:36:18 PM PDT by papasmurf (Join Team 36120 Free Republic Folders. Folding@Home Enter Name:FRpapasmurf)
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To: KevinDavis
Normally, I would shut up and watch and, hopefully, learn something when a FReeper with a sign on date of 1998 posts.

Sadly, I think you might have disrupted the respect others with that distinction have earned.

:O)

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66 posted on 03/29/2007 9:43:28 PM PDT by papasmurf (Join Team 36120 Free Republic Folders. Folding@Home Enter Name:FRpapasmurf)
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To: KevinDavis

Kevin Davis wrote: "1. Besides being a Senator and an Actor, what else has he done?"

Plenty. Fred began by working his way through college, holding jobs as a shoe salesman, truck driver, and even a factory worker prior to becoming a lawyer. This work ethic, combined with his extensive study of classical philosophy and political science, led Fred to a firm belief in conservative ideals.

Fred Thompson served as a member of the Tennessee Appellate Court Nominating Commission, 1985-1987; Special counsel, Senate Committee on Intelligence, 1982; Special counsel, Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, 1980-1981; Special counsel to Lamar Alexander, governor of Tennessee, 1980; Minority counsel, Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities ("Watergate Committee”), 1973-1974; an Assistant U.S. attorney, 1969-1972 and a practicing attorney, 1967-1969.

Thompson is a Visiting Fellow at The American Enterprise Institute, where his areas of advanced study include China, Korea and russia. He was elected to the Council on Foreign Relations in 2002. Thompson is also a member of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission.

Fred Thompson is also an author. He has written a book, the Watergate memoir "At That Point in Time," and numerous articles and white papers.

Fred's latest occupation is that of radio commentator, filling in for Paul Harvey with a series of hard-hitting short commentaries on ABC radio.

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And wrote: "2. Is this the same Fred Thompson that was rolled over by John Glenn in the Chinagate hearings?"

No, it's the same Fred Thompson who was stabbed in the back by a man Fred, like many Americans, had believed to be a marine aviator, astronaut and authentic American hero. Turns out that Glenn had been reduced to being just another Democrat political hack. Fred, who had worked in an atmosphere of general cooperation in the Watergate Hearings, would soon discover that the Demoncrats has lost their last drop of honor. In his own words:

The Governmental Affairs Committee's final report sets forth the results of our investigation to the fullest extent publicly possible. The committee concluded that in the light of the plan, the ties of many leading Democratic fundraisers to the PRC government, and the money trail leading back to the Greater China area, ``there is strong circumstantial evidence that the PRC government was involved'' in funding, directing, or encouraging illegal contributions to American political campaigns during the 1996 election cycle. We emphasized that while the intelligence information seemed pretty clear it did have some gaps. Moreover, no consensus existed regarding whether we were witnessing a single plan or a series of possibly coordinated efforts by different parts of the Chinese government. Again, we vetted the report with the intelligence agencies, and they carefully scrubbed potentially source-identifying information.

Nevertheless, many media accounts characterized the report as interesting but a failure because we did not demonstrate conclusively the flow of specific Chinese dollars into specific campaigns. The Democrats on the committee issued a minority report which minimized and denigrated the significance of our findings.

- Fred Thompson, "The China Syndrome," June 22, 1998

http://www.nationalreview.com/22jun98/thompson062298.html


[Thompson] points out that he has held office for only four years, and, in Washington, "people get built up fast, and they get taken down fast." Sure, conservatives hungry for a spokesman were tickled by that response to Clinton's address back in 1994, but "the idea that they would build me up based on reading a five-minute speech into a monitor is kind of silly." And then they were "disappointed that I wasn't able to 'get Bill Clinton' in my hearings, so they consider the hearings a failure. That's just part of life."

Thompson says that he had Watergate in the back of his mind — "too much so, in some respects" — and tried to follow the Watergate model, which demands a certain broadness.

"A lot of my friends," he says, "thought that if we could just get something on the Democrats — and God knows there was a lot to get — we'd be in clover." But Thompson opted to tread lightly, recognizing that "today the accuser is almost as suspect as the accused. There's a good deal of skepticism about all of us in the political process" — which, he argues, happens to be "the major part of Clinton's success." Indeed, "that's why he survived." What Thompson had not sufficiently appreciated is the vitriol, coupled with a knack for sabotage, of the Democrats.

"There was nothing I could have done," he pleads, "to cause John Glenn [the senior Democrat on the committee] to try to have a fair, down-the-middle investigation." Could he hazard a guess as to why Glenn, in the waning days of a long and relatively dignified career, chose to play the part of White House protector? After a long pause, he answers, "I got some ideas, but I'd just rather not get into it. I can only say that it's one of the most disappointing things that I've ever encountered. I've been around hearings and practiced a lot of law and all, but I didn't expect that. I can't read his mind, but it was consistent, it was persistent, and there never was a moment when he deviated from what he had decided to do."

What about the suspicion that there was an exchange between Glenn and the president: obstruction for a valedictory space flight? "Well, that's between him and the good Lord," says Thompson. "I certainly don't know the answer and never will."

Thompson has concluded that traditional investigative hearings are a thing of the past. As it stands, "You have to find out all you're going to find out beforehand and use your hearings to demonstrate what you've already discovered." Why? Because "there's too much partisanship and too short an attention span among the media, especially television. We were deemed a failure literally the day after our hearings started." Most of the press considered the hearings too dull, too cautious, too fussy. Thompson held some off-the-record meetings with reporters, "and I said, 'Look, guys: Pay attention. I don't have John Dean and a taping system, but there's some very interesting stuff here. This was the most corrupt political campaign we've ever seen. You need to keep up with it, even if it doesn't seem blockbuster.' And they all nodded, said they understood. Bullsh**: They didn't. I should have saved my breath. The name of the game is the president: Are you going to get him or not?"

- Jay Nordlinger in National Review, May 17, 1999

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1805040/replies?c=2


On issues, he addresses head-on the major complaints conservatives have about his record. He was largely stymied in his 1997 investigation of both Clinton-Gore and GOP campaign fund-raising abuses: Key witnesses declined to testify or fled the country, though evidence eventually surfaced of a Chinese plan to influence U.S. politics. He won't argue with those who say he showed "naiveté" about how he would be stonewalled in his investigation. He says he's wiser now.

- Interview with WSJ's John Fund, March 17, 2007

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009798

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And wrote: "3. Is this the same Fred Thompson that supported McCain and voted for the McCain/Fiengold bill?"

No. He's also wiser about the chances of having any measure of real campaign finance reform. Still, he sees something fundamentally wrong about accepting money from people who have a critical stake in issues a lawmaker will have to help decide:

Confronting further conservative criticisms, Thompson cheerfully acknowledges that he is "off the [Republican] reservation" on campaign-finance reform. He contends that "it's just not right to take large sums of money from people who have legislation before you. It's that basic. The idea of mixing policy and money in that way is just so obviously a problem … It's kind of like an elephant in a bathtub: If you don't see it at first glance, chances are you never will." The situation "may not be fixable," he says — but ought to be.

- Jay Nordlinger, National Review, May 17, 1999

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1805040/posts


WALLACE: You have taken some stands that conservatives may not like. For instance, you voted for John McCain's campaign finance reform.

THOMPSON: I came from the outside to Congress. And it always seemed strange to me. We've got a situation where people could give politicians huge sums of money, which is the soft money situation at that time, and then come before those same politicians and ask them to pass legislation for them.

I mean, you get thrown in jail for stuff like that in the real world. And so I always thought that there was some reasonable limitation that ought to be put on that, and you know, looking back on history, Barry Goldwater in his heyday felt the same thing.

So that's not a non-conservative position, although I agree that a lot of people have interpreted it that way.

- Interview with Fox News Sunday's Mike Wallace, March 11, 2007

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258222,00.html


Many on the right remain angry he supported the campaign finance law sponsored by his friend John McCain. "There are problems with people giving politicians large sums of money and then asking them to pass legislation," Mr. Thompson says. Still, he notes he proposed the amendment to raise the $1,000 per person "hard money" federal contribution limit.

Conceding that McCain-Feingold hasn't worked as intended, and is being riddled with new loopholes, he throws his hands open in exasperation. "I'm not prepared to go there yet, but I wonder if we shouldn't just take off the limits and have full disclosure with harsh penalties for not reporting everything on the Internet immediately."

- Interview with WSJ's John Fund, March 17, 2007

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009798

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And wrote: "4. Why is it ok for Fred Thompson to start as Pro-Choice and end up as Pro-Life but not ok for others like Romney?"

Because Thompson did NOT start as Pro-choice. National Review got it wrong years ago and even today will not own up to having published information that simply has no basis in fact.

Fred Thompson's voting record is 100% pro-life:

STRONGLY OPPOSES topic 1: "Abortion is a woman's right"

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Fred_Thompson_SenateMatch.htm


Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Fred_Thompson.htm#Abortion

National Right to Life Committee on Fred Thompson:

"This morning, I cited reports being promoted by the pro-Romney blog Evangelicals for Mitt suggesting that Fred Thompson ran his two campaigns for Senate in Tennessee as a pro-choicer. Not so, National Right to Life executive co-director Darla St. Martin just told me.

St. Martin said that she went down to Tennessee in 1994 to speak with Thompson personally when he first ran for Senate, and that she determined he was against abortion.

'I interviewed him and on all of the questions I asked him, he opposed abortion,' St. Martin said. She told me that the group went on to support him in that election, and his record reinforced for her that their determination was correct.

'He has a consistent voting record that is pro-life,' she said.

On the NRLC website, they archive their congressional ratings back to 1997, so they include six of his eight years in the Senate. Thompson took the pro-life position on every vote he cast on the abortion issue..."

http://www.spectator.org/blogger.asp?BlogID=6017


"NARAL also rated nine other Republicans... Based on their abortion rights stance, the following Republicans received a grade of 'F': ...Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee..."

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Try=No&Page=\Politics\archive\200007\POL20000714a.html


"With 54% of the vote, pro-life former Tennessee Governor Lamar Alexander (R) won the seat of retiring PRO-LIFE Senator Fred Thompson."

http://www.nrlc.org/news/2002/NRL11/senate.html


"Listed below is the name, state and party of each of these senators along with Planned Parenthood's rating of them.

Name State Party PP rating...
Fred Thompson TN R 0% "

http://www.all.org/stopp/rr0111.htm

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And wrote: "5. Does he have any executive experience?"

Some. Thompson served as Special counsel to Lamar Alexander, governor of Tennessee. He has over 20 years experience as a small businessman, running a successful law practice with offices in Tennessee and Washington, D.C.

Executive experience in government, however, is no guarantee of a a great or even good presidency. Jimmy Carter has demonstrated that it can lead to what was arguably the worst presidential administration in the history of the United States. And two of our greatest presidents, Jefferson and Lincoln, had little or no executive experience prior to becoming president.


67 posted on 03/29/2007 10:51:15 PM PDT by Josh Painter (Draft Fred Thompson: the grassroots "surge that will transform the Republican race." - The Hill)
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To: KevinDavis

Here's some info I found on the Senate votes related to McCain-Feingold ( http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_107_1.htm ). I'm cross-posting this from another thread.

Thompson did vote for it, which is troubling, despite his recent change of heart. That said, if you look at the votes, you'll see that he was not in lockstep with McCain on this. His vote differed from McCain's on a number of different issues listed below.

Most notably, Thompson introduced an amendment to raise hard money limits and index those limits to inflation. He specifically made the point that individual contributions = free speech. McCain voted to kill Thompson's amendment before it reached the floor. However, the amendment did get to the floor, and it passed.

This doesn't in my mind mitigate Thompson's vote in favor of CFR, but it does show that he had concerns about it even then and in many ways did not agree with McCain's approach. I do think this lends credence to his recent repudiation of the bill.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00037
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00038
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00046
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00047
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00049
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00053 (this was Thompson's amendment to increase hard money contributions -- McCain voted to kill it)
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r107:1:./temp/~r107Kv5YyZ:e0 (here is the discussion where Thompson calls individual contributions free speech)
:http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00054
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00055 (this is the final vote on Thompson's successful amendment to increase hard money limits. McCain ultimately ended up supporting it, although he tried to kill it before it reached a floor vote)
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00056


68 posted on 03/29/2007 10:53:47 PM PDT by ellery (Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine-PJORourke)
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To: KevinDavis

I for one do not hold it against someone because they changed their mind on an issue.


69 posted on 03/30/2007 4:35:44 AM PDT by stockpirate (Rudy Giuliani, John McCain and Mitt Romney, are liberals masquerading as conservatives.)
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To: KevinDavis

This should be under Vanity not misc. IMHO


70 posted on 03/30/2007 5:20:33 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: KevinDavis; All

It is a shame that people are getting flamed for asking questions..


It's not that you asked questions, it's the percieved tone (by some) of the questions added to the fact that about 10 thompson threads have been posted daily since his Fox News appearance. There is a plethora of information available by simply looking at the current posts or a simple one word search here on FR for old threads. It may be a misread but one could read your questioning as leading, pointed and agenda driven because of this.

Believe me, compared to the flaming going on from Rudy supporters on the Fred Threads this is like a match flame.


71 posted on 03/30/2007 5:44:09 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: KevinDavis

Is that you Rudy?


72 posted on 03/30/2007 7:06:16 AM PDT by Doofer
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To: flashbunny

>>So the truth is he was endorsed by PRO LIFE groups when he ran for the senate, and the person he ran against, also labeled as "pro choice" has a pro life voting record.<<

He even opined that "Roe v. Wade" was wrong on the "Law and Order" TV show! It's amazing to me that NBC didn't censor that!


73 posted on 03/30/2007 7:41:29 PM PDT by sumthinelse
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To: KevinDavis

Why is Giuliani, a cross-dressing, pro-abortion, pro-gay, anti-FreeSpeech, anti-Amendment uberliberal who failed to prevent 9/11 and who hasn't held any post higher than a city mayor being pushed as the "frontrunner" for the 2008 Republican nomination?


74 posted on 03/30/2007 8:02:06 PM PDT by Giant Conservative
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To: KevinDavis

Thompson '08!


75 posted on 03/30/2007 8:17:17 PM PDT by zendari
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To: jr48154

A "serious conservative voter" knows how to do research.


76 posted on 03/30/2007 9:31:04 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Thompson/Watts in 2008!! Fear the Fred!! FreeRepublic is FRed country!!)
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To: flashbunny

Actually, that's an awfully thin resume.


77 posted on 03/30/2007 9:35:43 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles

"Actually, that's an awfully thin resume."

You're right. If he had served one 4 year term as the governor of one of the most liberal states in the country he'd probably be more qualified.


78 posted on 03/30/2007 9:50:51 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: Politicalmom
Certainly a conservative voter knows how to do research. Still,though, if this is supposed to be a site for open-minded discussion of conservative ideas -- and in this case conservative candidates -- then I think questions like this ought to be asked openly.

If all conservatives agreed on everything all the time, then Free Republic wouldn't even be necessary.

Also, if we were supposed to all just shut up and do our own research without discussion, well, that would render this site quite pointless as well, wouldn't it?

As for Fred Thompson, I like him a lot. Therefore, I want folks to ask questions about him. I want to know the worst. If it so happens that he comes out of the ringer and still looks good, well, then, that's a pretty good candidate. But I'd never know without actually asking the question -- and it helps seeing what other conservatives think about the answers...

79 posted on 03/31/2007 1:04:26 PM PDT by jr48154
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To: jr48154

These are questions that have been asked and ANSWERED repeatedly on just about every thread. They are a laundry list of the things people are trying to bash Thompson with.

If this doesn't seem completely ingenuous to you, then I think you are far too trusting.


80 posted on 03/31/2007 1:12:11 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Thompson/Watts in 2008!! Fear the Fred!! FreeRepublic is FRed country!!)
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