I am so sorry. I thought the only actual date I gave was 1991- the year Anna Nicole stated she first met HM.
My previous post must have been poorly worded and I apologize. I was just trying to think out loud and figured you would know with all your extensive work on the chronology.
Also, I read that she actually only lived under the same roof with Marshall a small part of the time she was married to him and spent some of the time during their marriage in CA house he purchased for her while she pursued a modeling/acting career.
On June 27, 1994, Smith, 26, and Marshall, 89, married in Houston.[22] This resulted in a great deal of gossip about her marrying him for his money.[23] Though she reportedly never lived with him,[24] Smith maintained that she loved her husband, and age did not matter to her.[citation needed] Thirteen months after his marriage to Smith, Marshall died on August 4, 1995, in Houston.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Nicole_Smith#Marriage_to_Marshall
"Here is what jurors have been told
that J. Howard Marshall, II
gave to Vickie Lynn Marshall
during their entire relationship,
not just the marriage. $6,607,000
Modeling/Acting Clothes - $699,000
Jewelry - $2.804,000
LA House - $597,000
Mercedes - $82,000
Misc. Disbursments - $439,000
Ranch - $693,000
Ranch Furnishings - $230,000"
http://factweb.net/WhatVickie.html
"Within weeks of J. Howard Marshall's death, Smith and her husband's son, E. Pierce Marshall, battled over her claim for half of her late husband's US$1.6 billion estate. She temporarily joined forces with J. Howard's other son, James Howard Marshall III, whom the elder Howard had disowned. Howard III claimed J. Howard orally promised him a portion of his estate; like Smith, Howard III was also left out of J. Howard's will.[25] The case has gone on for more than a decade, producing a highly publicized court battle in Texas and several judicial decisions that have gone both for and against Smith in that time.[26]"
(I thought that it was sometime during this part of that case that Stern actually lifted the PM confidential document because it was presented in the bankruptcy case in CA.)
"In 1996, Smith filed for bankruptcy in California as a result of a $850,000 judgment against her for sexual harassment of an employee. As any money potentially due to her from the Marshall estate was part of her potential assets, the bankruptcy court involved itself in the matter.[27]"
And Judge Mike Wood in Houston admonished HSK for his action.
"In July 2001, Houston judge Mike Wood affirmed the jury findings in the probate case by ruling that Smith was entitled to nothing and ordered Smith to pay over $1 million in fees and expenses to Pierce's legal team."
As far as pivotal on the bankruptcy case, perhaps I misunderstood the importance of this statement:
"Stern transmitted the document to California where Bankruptcy Magistrate Samuel L. Bufford reportedly posted the protected document on his website to be viewed by the general public for a period. This incident and others by both Stern and Bufford continue to raise mysteriously unanswered questions about collusion between Anna Nicole’s attorneys and the Bankruptcy court in the California case."
http://factweb.net/SternReprimand.htm
My saying it was pivotal was perhaps misstated, but I thought maybe it was pivotal because of the following reasons:
1. "In 1996, Smith filed for bankruptcy in California as a result of a $850,000 judgment against her for sexual harassment of an employee." So if that document helped the LA judge to render the decision he did - I thought it was possibly pivotal in helping ANS to avoid paying out the $850,000 judgment.
2. "Smith claimed J. Howard orally promised her half of his estate if she married him and a Los Angeles bankruptcy judge awarded her $449,754,134," and the confidential document of assests of PM that was given to that court aided the LA judge in his decision. - Why I incorrectly thought that the document was pivotal in rendering that decision.
3. The decision rendered in Los Angeles bankruptcy court was used to continue litigation in probate court and appeals all the way to the Supreme Court hearing/decision.
More simply stated, maybe HKS entered the picture as early as when she was in CA living in house purchased for her by HM while they were still married (194-1995) and she went there to pursue modeling/acting.
And just was wondering if she could have even met HKS even earlier - like during her GUESS jeans endorsement (1993-1994) if she was in LA for any reason during the year(s) of that ad campaign on photo shoots, business meetings or whatever just prior to marrying Marshall.
Again, I am sorry for any misunderstanding and confusion I caused. I was just trying to think out loud in response to your post on dates and try to figure out when HKS might have entered the picture.
I will just keep thoughts like those to myself and let other posters, like yourself, who have done extensive research and organization that I appreciate and admire, share with us.
Thank you for all your work :)
Not sure what to say to all that. I am not, I repeat NOT an expert on all things ANS and do NOT pretend to be.
I didn't know if the times I saw her on the TV news here were in 2001 or 2005. I did brush up on this when Daniel died and plowed through all the hundreds of pages of Marshall v Marshall, then the banktuptcy and SCOTUS proceedings - but I did not commit them to memory.
Howard K Stern's reprimand may have made the news here, but it did not penetrate my brain in any way, shape or form at the time, if it did. I'm not even sure how I knew who he was at the time of Daniel's death. Probably just repeated exposure over the years and osmosis. I have paid little to no attention to Anna Nicole Smith before these mysteries happened, which intrigued my curiosity.
So, I don't know when ANS met HKS - I only know that stalkers like HKS always try to puff up their relationships to their stalkees - and the stakes are high in this one. His length of time "in her service" has been streeetttcched and streettched every time it comes up.
I said from all the notes I had gathered, it appeared to me it was around 1996. Then Stern himself said 1996 in the hearing, so that's good enough for me.
It fits with the time she was trying to get somebody, anybody, to take on her bankruptcy case for free because she was down and out. He was doing a record label negotiation with a small-time band at the time, that's all. It fits with her begging people to take her case.
Beyond that, I don't know. I have all those same notes you posted, plus many pages more - and most here said they didn't want to know anything about the Marshall cases. *bor - ing*
They either have to be in detail or not at all - because we've all seen how messed up the media has gotten it in relation to Dannielynn and her "inheritance." Some people still insist that Daniel had a trust fund from JHMII and it should go to Dannielynn, from ANS getting it at Daniel's death. No Daniel trust fund is ever mentioned anywhere in those court papers - and virtually every other thing on the planet is discussed, financially.
I don't know what else to say. I gathered a bunch of notes and then posted a Case Name List, which I try to keep updated. I'm not trying to be an expert - I'm trying to save fellow posters from having to duplicate the efforts or spend mountains of time looking things up without a roadmap. I'm homebound and have the time and some familiarity with parts of this, plus did newsgathering for a living for many years.
Please keep posting and I'll try to keep my mouth shut - I don't post a whole lot, anyway, except in spurts when I feel well enough to do it. Thanks for your serious look at the Marshall stuff.
I thought it was 2005, since that's the date I copied off of it, but logically, it had to have been in 2001. I'm old and years run together, 2001 is the same as 2005 to me.