UFO sighting over Islington (UK)

NOT my fault!.....

No it's Bush's fault!!!

John Kasich is doing a segment on UFOs with video clips in a few minutes on FOX.

Carl Jung wrote about UFO's:

Here is a slice:

So I publish below an account, as succinct as I can make it,
describing Jung's years of study of "our subject", the
conclusions to which he finally came before he died in 1961, and
the highly successfull "cover story" maintained ever after to
prevent the world from knowing what those conclusions were !.
G.C.]

As we know, when the "Flying Saucer Phenomenon" erupted into
human consciousness in 1947 and the years immediately following,
the powerful folk of our world - politicians, military,
scientists, doctors, priests of religion - all had their own
particular reasons for being deeply worried.

But there was yet another important category who were possibly
even more perplexed and concerned. These were - if one can lump
them together for convenience - the left-wing eggheads and
intellectuals and humanists, (so-called "liberals"), academics
and university circles, and of course quite especially perturbed
were those who called themselves "psychologists",
"psychiatrists", and "anthropologists".

The reason for this concern was that, by and large, the great
majority of these folk were no doubt of a left-wing, marxist,
materialistic, "atheistic" turn of mind, and therefore
inordinately attached to those favourite shibboleths of theirs
which we can term in general as "DARWINISM" + associated ideas.

For it could not require much gumption to perceive that, if ever
one single, solitary human or "humanoid" or man-like creature
were to step out of one of those "flying saucers", it would be a
mighty awkward moment for the theories of Darwin and his
followers.

I myself still recall with much amusement how, one day in the
early 50s - just five or six years or so after Kenneth Arnold's
famous sighting - a cleaning lady who worked regularly in our
house and whom my wife and I would have thought to be "pretty
thick", astonished us by pointing to a pile of my "UFO books"
and remarking: "IT WOULD ALL KNOCK THE BOTTOM OUT OF DARWINISM,
WOULDN'T IT!"

She, whom we had mistakenly thought an ignorant and benighted
soul, had instantly perceived the problem with total clarity.
Neither my wife or I ever forgot the episode.

***** By the 1950s the great era of the Vienna School and of the
pioneers of Psychiatry, Freud, Adler, Ranke, was of course long
past, but there still remained the towering figure of one of
them, and the greatest, the Swiss Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961)
who, after having collaborated closely in the early days in
Vienna with Freud, had finally broken away from him and
proceeded to elaborate his own new theory of the "Collective
Unconscious".

Jung was evidently a much bigger guru figure than Freud, and
very speedily indeed he began to perceive that this flying
saucer business might be something highly important. He started
collecting material at once, about 1947, and lost no time in
contacting Donald Keyhoe in the U.S.A. and joining his group,
N.I.C.A.P. (National Investigative Committee on Aerial
Phenomena).

Jung was of course living in his home land, Switzerland, and one
of the earliest UFO study groups in Europe, the Association
Mondialiste Interplanetaire, had just been launched there under
Professor Alfred Nahon.

This group had a journal, Le Courier Interplantetaire, and they
quickly asked Jung to write an article for them. I give below
the full text of Jung's article which, after appearing in French
in their journal, was re-published by our first FSR Editor,
Derek Dempster, in an English translation, in our second issue
of FSR (May/June 1955). (As we can see, Jung was cautious in
his statements, and evidently determined not to reveal exactly
how much he knew or he suspected):-

I. Dr. Carl Jung Himself on Unidentified Flying Objects
[Reprint from FSR Vol.1, No. 2 (May/June 1955)]

In the course of years, I have gathered together a considerable
mass of observations, included in which are reports by two
eyewitnesses known to me personally (I have never seen
anything!). I have also read on the question. However, I can
only say for certain: these things are not a mere rumour:
something has been seen.

A purely psychological explanation is ruled out by the fact that
a large number of observations indicate a natural phenomenon,
even a physical one (explainable in part as reflections or
temperature inversions).

The American Air Force (despite its contradictory statements),
as well as the Canadian, consider the observations to be real
and have set up special Bureaux to compile reports. However,
the "disks" (that is, the objects themselves) do not behave in
accordance with physical laws, but as though without weight, and
they show signs of intelligent guidance, by quasi human pilots,
for their accelerations are such that no normal human could
survive.

What astonishes me most is that the American Air Force, despite
all the information in its possession and its so-called fear of
creating panic, seems to work systematically to do that very
thing (witness the Orson Welles radio play at New Jersey) since
it has never yet published an authentic and certain account of
the facts, only occasionally allowing information to be dragged
out of it by journalists.

This being so, it is impossible for the uninitiated to form an
adequate picture of what is happening. Despite my own eight
years' compilation of all that has come to hand, I must admit
that I am no more advanced than at the beginning: I still do
not know what these Flying Saucers are. Observations read so
strangely that one might be tempted - if one wished to deny the
reality of the facts reported - to compare them to
parapsychological phenomena.

Because of the general uncertainty as to foundations, it would
be useless to speculate. We must await what the future brings.
So-called "scientific" explanations, such as the theory of
reflections by Dr. Menzel, are not possible without abstracting,
'for convenience' sake, any reports which fail to fit in.

If these "bodies" are of extra-terrestrial origin, as is
affirmed, perhaps planetary (from Mars to Venus) one must not
forget observations which speak of "Saucers" springing from
earth or sea. One must also take into consideration numerous
reports of thunderbolts, or of rare, stationary fireballs (not
to be confused with Saint Elmo's fire).

In such isolated cases thunderbolts can attain to considerable
dimensions, moving slowly from one cloud to another in the form
of a sphere of lightning-like brilliance, and of the apparent
thickness of a half-moon, or again making a passage for
themselves through a forest about 13 feet wide and 220 yards
long, splitting all the trees which lie in their path. They are
silent as the Saucers, or may disappear in a clap of thunder.

Perhaps these round thunderbolts, being isolated charges of
electricity (so-called necklace of pearl [;>))] lightning) are
the origin of those formations of Saucers, photographed several
times.

Often electrical phenomena have been reported in conjunction
with Saucer sightings. If, despite this not yet explained
possibility, the extra-terrestrial origin of the phenomena
should be confirmed, this would prove the existence of an
intelligent interplanetary relationship.

What such a fact might mean for humanity cannot be predicted.
But it would put us, without doubt, in the extremely precarious
position of primitive communities today in conflict with the
superior culture of the whites: the rudder would be removed from
our grasp, and we should lose our pleasant dreams.

Naturally, it would be chiefly our science and our technology
which would have to be consigned to the dust-heap. What such a
catastrophe would mean on the moral plane we can in some sort
judge by the ruin of primitive cultures of which we are
witnesses. That the construction of these machines prove a
scientific technology, and one immensely superior to ours,
admits of no two opinions. Just as the Pax Britannica put an
end to the disputes between the tribes of Africa, so our world
could unroll its Iron Curtain and use it as scrap iron, with all
the millions of tons of guns, warships and munitions. This
would not be very serious. But we would have been "discovered"
and colonised - sufficient reason for universal panic!

If we wish to avoid such a catastrophe, the authorities in
possession of important information should not hesitate to
enlighten the public as soon and as completely as possible and
should, above all, stop these ridiculous antics of mysteries and
vague allusions.

So, after all, there is nothing out-of-the-way in the statements
of ancient documents that all sorts of signs and miracles appear
in the skies, or that people look too the skies for a marvellous
intervention coming to the aid of human incapacity.

Our present day observations of Saucers coincide - mutatis
mutandis - with the many reports going back into antiquity,
though not in such astonishing frequency as in these times. But
the possibility of the destruction of a whole continent, which
today is in the hands of politicians, has never existed
previously. -C.G.J.

II. Jung Writes a Book on UFOs.

Jung's next important step was to write a book, which was
published in Zurich, in his own native tongue, German, in 1958.
Its title was : FLYING SAUCERS: A MYTH OF THINGS SEEN IN THE
SKY. It was at once translated into English by R.F.C. Hull, and
appeared in a mass paperback edition in the U.S.A. in 1959
(Signet: New American Library).

Although Jung was actually employing the term "myth" in its more
expressive, and more exotic sense, as of something "in a way
more real than real, i.e., archetypal", you can be sure that the
hordes of our critics and enemies were reassured and overjoyed.
A whole lot of folk no doubt felt immensely relieved!

But soon not everything was to their liking! For there was real
dynamite in an interview that Jung gave to the NEW YORK HERALD-
TRIBUNE - a very important newspaper - and which was published
in its issue for July 30, 1958. It was an A.P. (Associated
Press) report from Alamogordo, New Mexico, dated July 29, and we
will give the [n] text of it at the end of this enquiry.

It must have sent shivers down some important spines, because
our enemies have succeeded wonderfully in getting it completely
buried and forgotten ever since - a situation which enables them
to carry on as before, right up to this day, harping on Jung's
initial belief that it was all a myth.

Never once have I seen this declaration of Jung referred to or
quoted, even by his own supporters or by "UFO Buffs". As
Stanton Friedman never ceases to emphasise, the critics' game is
to refuse to look at the facts and to lie and to lie and to lie
'til the cows come home.

And if they can't win their point by argument, they invariably
descend to the cheapest levels of ridicule, defamation, and
slander. If you can't win your point, get your man!

This is the treatment which we at FSR and all the other
researchers have had to endure for half a century.

III. Dr. Jung Says 'Flying Disks' Suggest Quasi-Human Pilots.

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2003/oct/m17-007.shtml

Here is one part that is most interesting:

But there was yet another important category who were possibly even more perplexed and concerned. These were - if one can lump them together for convenience - the left-wing eggheads and intellectuals and humanists, (so-called "liberals"), academics and university circles, and of course quite especially perturbed were those who called themselves "psychologists", "psychiatrists", and "anthropologists".

The reason for this concern was that, by and large, the great majority of these folk were no doubt of a left-wing, marxist, materialistic, "atheistic" turn of mind, and therefore inordinately attached to those favourite shibboleths of theirs which we can term in general as "DARWINISM" + associated ideas.

Here is an interesting Sat photo of the US and UFO's can be seen in the areas where sighting have been recently reported. Click on the sat image link top left of map.

http://www.ufomaps.com/

UAV's, to the best of my knowledge, don't "go vertical" this way. Nice try, but.................no.

Oh.....they also aren't lit up in anywhere near such a fashion.

UAV's, to the best of my knowledge, don't "go vertical" this way. Nice try, but.................no.

I suspect there are more types of UAVs than we know about. I've seen videos from several years back of small hovering devices that were capable of vertical maneuvering. I'm sure those sorts of machines have only gotten more sophisticated since then.

Also, if there were many helicopters and even fixed-wing aircraft in the vicinity of the objects in the London sighting (see maquiladora's post #15), it's clear that whatever was going on was a controlled test of some sort. Helicopters aren't used to chase UFOs, to my knowledge. Nor would a large fixed-wing aircraft be allowed to make a close fly-by of objects of unknown origin and intention that were being surveilled.

So your "no" is premature, I think...nor was I saying a definitive "yes", although I think the preponderance of the evidence supports the view that military testing is what is going on.

As for lights (speaking to your subsequent post), they are configurable in a variety of ways. Whatever lights were on the devices were likely there for some purpose involved with the testing.

What if the purpose was to present the UAVs as UFOs? I would imagine it would be feasible to give any illusion necessary to John Q Public. And what if the Von Braun rumors were real?

Ever fly formation?

Pinging!

III. Dr. Jung Says 'Flying Disks' Suggest Quasi-Human Pilots.

I've never flown formation. I'm not a pilot.

Hmm ... temperature inversion creates a lensing effect reflecting grounds lights off of the invisible ceiling back to observers on the ground. [I wonder if that'll be on my MUFON field investigator exam?]

Thanks.

I would ask God to allow you to have an experience with such but I think that would not be something God would want to do. And I really would not want that for anyone either.

AT least then, though, the mocking and scoffing would be moderated.

spreading panic among residents below
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All the rest of the article is believable but this.

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Is that the psychologist speaking? The psychiatrist? The social worker? The sociologist?

I guess I've lived around a different sample of the general population. I know quite a number who'd panic over a lot less than that.

A lot of them panic when their cell phones trouble them in a low reception area. Others panic when their make-up runs. 100's panic when anything significantly different than their routine hits them upside the head.

Maybe I know more hysterical PMS women than you do.

I think it's admirable when an expert says:

I do not know . . .

Welll, my relative worked around UFO craft that we had--that we'd been taught how to build by ET's . . . that were pilotless. Could go instantly to any spot on the globe under computer control--for recon or bomb delivery.

I suspect ET's have better models.

So what's going on with all these lights and sightings?

Welll, my relative worked around UFO craft that we had--that we'd been taught how to build by ET's . . . that were pilotless. Could go instantly to any spot on the globe under computer control--for recon or bomb delivery.
I suspect ET's have better models.

(chuckle)