Accuser changes story in lacrosse case

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[JLS]

The whole day has been crazy. It is like Nifong has decide he is losing his pension and might as well spend the last part of his life in prison?

[JLS]

I see, the master bath is Evans where the towel was found? Boy or boy Nifong and company are churning out lies so fast it is hard to catch them all.

[gopheraj]

marking and one question for anyone. Didn't Kim say she got there before Precious? Not that the defense needs anything else to help them. LOLL

[Muzzle_em]

agreed.

[maggief]

Kim Roberts a.k.a. Kim Pittman made this written statement to police between 2:15 p.m. and 4:00 p.m. on March 22, 2006.

I, Kim Pittman, was called by Melissa to do a Bachelor Party at 610 Buchanan St. at 11 p.m. at night. I went to Priscilla's to purchase an outfit for the evening and proceeded to get ready for the night. I left 1602 Albany Street and headed toward Buchanan where I arrived at about 11 p.m.

(snip)

At about 11:30 Precious arrived and came to the back where we met for the first time. I waited outside and she went inside to collect her money. She showed me her payment ($400.00) and we went straight the bathroom where my outfit was to change clothes. Precious came with her dancing gear on and did not need to change.

(snip)

http://johnsville.blogspot.com/2006/06/duke-lacrosse-scandal-kim.html

[txrangerette]

SOME THOUGHTS AND QUESTIONS...

I've been scanning the comments and especially noting yours.

You've mentioned (early on) how the timeline has been changed to account for RS's alibi that he was on the phone, and then he left, during the original timeline. At first I wondered if you knew that she had basically exonerated him by saying he stood by and didn't participate. Finally, I saw where you mentioned this as well (later on), and realized that you understood both things. Timeline change to negate his alibi, while at the same time exonerating him. You even mentioned the bizarre fact that even with her statement about that, Nifong kept sexual assault charges (and I guess kidnapping charges) in place even though she said he did nothing. (Is it possible he could remain charged because as someone there who did nothing to stop the "crime", he is equally chargeable?)

You said maybe they hope to turn him to testify against the others. But she knows nothing happened to her. By now, I would say Nifong knows it, too. So how does RS "turn" on the others and make up a story against them?? And come to court and tell that false story?? Could never happen.

I think Crystal is caught in her lies and she realizes it. She's got a court date to supposedly ID the alleged perps. She's trying to salvage something, even if this case never comes to trial. Either to publish a book, or hoping to get an out-of-court settlement from the families when she files a civil suit.

I'm not sure Nifong is leading her through these machinations. Not that he isn't crazy and sleazy enough to do it. I just don't see where that fits. I think Nifong knows this case will not come to trial, one way or another, whatever the "out" is. It does fit, though, for Mangum to desperately flail around and try to find some credible piece of her original claims of assault to hang on to.

Sooooo...perhaps her own attorney, (I've no idea who it is) who hopes to help her profit from this in the long run, has gone over the contradictions in the case and has guided her to try salvaging some little something from this, for later use.

What do you think about that possibility?

[JLS]

I doubt it is Mangums attorney, if she has one, that made up that pack of lies. It is just tries to explaim away too many of Nifong's problems to be from Manugm's attorney in my view.

Also Nifong is the one already facing Bar charges. I doubt any other attorneys in NC want to join him.

Now I guess some non-attorney handler of hers might be stupid enough to try this. But the problem is Nifong and company handle what she says that makes it into discovery. They could have just ignored this statement. They went to her a few days after the 15 December hearing to get her to make a statement so they could drop the rape charges. They were hoping that by dropping the rape charges they could make the DNA less important. So they had control of what she said. They determine what part of what she said made it on the record.

[Krodg]

You are correct. Sorry for the confusion.

[txrangerette]

I appreciate your thoughtful reply.

I think someone is TRYING to help her save something intact for a post-no trial outcome.

That someone has an impossible task, but it would not stop some lowlife from trying. Perhaps it isn't an attorney but one trying to act as if they are, hoping to get some $$ eventually from what they HOPE she might get. As I said, either from a book or from an out-of-court settlement in a civil suit.

At the same time, I don't deny that Nifong is in charge of allowing something to be in or out of her statements for the public record. I just doubt if he is the one forming this stuff across the board before she comes out with it. Could he in some specific aspect as he thinks it might help his problems with this case? Yeah.

But not the overall. If you look at the overall, they're gonna get nothing from RS in terms of turning him and making him a witness. Nothing happened and they both know it. And Nifong has to know that taken together her statements are ludicrous and must not be put forward in a trial.

So I see someone...whoever it turns out to be...TRYING to help her formulate SOMETHING she can cling to later on to make something out of the nothing that was her original claim of being assaulted at the party.

[JLS]

The N&O have printed and e-mail exchange between a lacrosse mother and a Duke faculty member, I think one of the gangsters.

http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/531318.html

[JLS]

Who is going to give her a civil settlement?

1. Any of the lacrosse team members, I doubt it. They don't have any money anyway, some of their parents have money, but she can not sue them.

2. Duke, I doubt it. At one time I thought this was possible, but I suspect now if it came out that Duke gave her a settlement not having apologized to the lacrosse team members their alums would really raise a stink.

Here only chance to cash in would be a book as you suggest or suing Durham county for false imprisonment based on Nifong keeping her away from her family?

[txrangerette]

JLS, no one is going to give her a civil settlement.

But, do she and her unknown "helper" understand that??

I don't think so.

Just look at what she is trying to salvage. Something, anything, relating to her original claim (I mean from the time she finally started crying rape), whether it would work in court or not. Some of that tracks with what Nifong is also trying to do and some of it doesn't necessarily.

But if she can keep claiming something happened to her there, and if she can keep at least one, if not two (or three...she can claim RS could've stopped it but stood by and watched) of these boys twisting in the wind with her claims, then the dummy probably thinks they will give her something to just shut up and go away.

If they don't, she probably thinks she can write a book which will actually be a fiction novel, about her whole life and this event as well, and that enough people will be curious for her to make something from it.

My problem in trying to conclude anything else is that nothing else makes any sense to me. This is not a criminal court case. I think both of them know that. So I look elsewhere for an explanation.

Whatever Nifong is up to, he does not want nor expect that he will be trying this case. But how he hopes or plans to make it play out I will just have to wait and see.

[Sacajaweau]

You don't get raped and then dance. My guess is that there are a few more pictures and phone calls that the defense has that covers a larger time frame. They didn't become relevant until Nifong set his NEW time frame.

The defense can hold them silently. They want HER and NIFONG under oath. Can't wait for the next hearing.

[Sacajaweau]

This may not be a criminal case BUT didn't Nifong let her off the hook on some bond or something....for that hit and run...or whatever?? That might be considered a bribe.

[txrangerette]

I'm just saying the case is not viable. That's the bottom line to me. I think both Precious and Nifong know that. So I try to look at their actions through that lens. They have their reasons, crazy as it looks to us, for what they are trying to do now that they are trapped in their lies, but not because either of them believe this is viable as a criminal court case.

[NorthFlaRebel]

Whatever Nifong is up to, he does not want nor expect that he will be trying this case. But how he hopes or plans to make it play out I will just have to wait and see.

He knows that the identification will be thrown out if the February 5th hearing ever takes place. He's slimey, but he certainly knows what the lineup procedures are and that how they got her to identify who she did would not make it in court. He can then say he did his best, he still feels he brought a solid case but it is now out of his hands because the courts overruled him.

I think people are reading more into this and Nifong than there really is. It was a political move. Nifong most likely thought they were guilty of something short of sexual assault or rape and that they would cop a plea at some point. He just miscalculated and was so arrogant that he didn't consider the illegal things he was doing would ever get exposed either because of the plea he imagined would be made, or because he thought he had every judge "on his side". He just got in over his head and doesn't know what to do. He most likely knew that if a plea was not sought, the case would be thrown out at some point. I think he is at the point where if he unilaterally drops all the charges, his actions over the past nine months would remove his immuninty from civil liability. If a court throws out his case, its less likely his immunity would be affected.

All my opinion, obviously, but I say the Feb. 5th hearing never takes place. If it does, you wont see Crystal there. If he takes her into court and tries to enter here "new" account and identification, he will be way passed "bad judgement" and will have definitely entered the realm of prosecutorial misconduct, maliscious prosecution and other felonies as well.

[Krodg]

Nifong Meets With Duke Lacrosse Accuser

Posted: 26 minutes ago
Updated: 4 minutes ago
Durham — Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong met with the accuser in the Duke lacrosse case for several hours at his office on Thursday, WRAL has learned.

While there, Durham County sheriff's deputies served her with a subpoena ordering her to be in court to testify at a Feb. 5 hearing.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1134867/

[Mad-Margaret]

Thanks!

I just hear it from Sheppard Smith and "from our sister station, WRAL."

You beat me to the post.

[Krodg]

If Nifong wanted the subpoena, it means he's not going to drop the charges. : (

[JLS]

This makes no sense what so ever? If Nifong had to subpeona her, does that mean she does not want to show for the 5 Feb. hearing?

I can only guess he met with her to go over and over the latest version of the story either that of 21 Dec. or some new revised version that explains her showing up with one shoe?