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Real-time Mind Control Zombie Zot
http://www.MindControlUSA.com ^ | 12/23/06 | BibleBabe1

Posted on 12/23/2006 11:31:23 AM PST by BibleBabe1

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To: Irish_Thatcherite

No processing plants near here, fortunately, just the growers. Most of the time it's not bad.


2,941 posted on 01/20/2007 10:44:20 AM PST by Tax-chick ("I don't know you, but I love who you seem to be.")
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To: Tax-chick

Most of the growers here are in close proximity to the factory, but likewise, it's only smelly on some days.


2,942 posted on 01/20/2007 10:49:35 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

We have interstate highways so the chickens can be shipped up to Virginia and Maryland for processing.


2,943 posted on 01/20/2007 10:53:12 AM PST by Tax-chick ("I don't know you, but I love who you seem to be.")
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To: NicknamedBob; Dead Corpse; Knitting A Conundrum; Tax-chick; Irish_Thatcherite
Yes. Evil is a defect. It is not normal. If you can fix it, there is no need or purpose for punishment.

But evil is not a mental defect, it is a soul defect which is self inflicted. There are people who do evil because they enjoy it.

There is of course evil that is caused by insanity. But then there is "Sane, just really evil."

But you have to think about what that means as far as what it makes you.

And that is my fear.

2,944 posted on 01/20/2007 10:53:28 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (We must have faith For when it is all said and done, Faith manages. And the impossible is achieved)
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To: Tax-chick
We know they're crooks, but exactly what they're getting out of approving construction in excess of our sewer capacity is unclear. Just cash from the builders, or is there more to it?

Say the sewers go kaput. Who benefits?

2,945 posted on 01/20/2007 10:55:27 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (We must have faith For when it is all said and done, Faith manages. And the impossible is achieved)
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To: Tax-chick

Some chickens are shipped to Longford...

;)


2,946 posted on 01/20/2007 10:56:50 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; NicknamedBob

Human Nature is screwed up, man is living in a complex society, but he has had only 6,000 years to adapt away from hunter/gatherer to Social Man.

It'll take 100,000s of year for that to happen, assuming evolution is true....


2,947 posted on 01/20/2007 10:59:51 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Dead Corpse; Knitting A Conundrum; Tax-chick; Irish_Thatcherite
"... it is a soul defect which is self inflicted. There are people who do evil because they enjoy it."

This is a philosophically debatable point. You are correct to say they do evil because they enjoy it, but the question then becomes "Why do they enjoy it?"

I would submit that that is the defect. Perhaps their brain's pleasure center is wired in too close proximity to something else. A physical problem can usually be addressed in some manner.

A secondary problem is the long-chain association and mental imagery which reinforces the "evil" nature. That too may have to be dealt with, perhaps by negative reinforcements to counter what has gone before.

Then we get into issues of freedom and free will. *Sigh* It isn't easy to make a perfect world.

2,948 posted on 01/20/2007 11:01:57 AM PST by NicknamedBob (My tuner doesn't have good taste the way it used to!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Say the sewers go kaput. Who benefits?

Interesting question. I would guess that one of the main beneficiaries, no matter what happens, will be the lawyers. If the sewers malfunction, the towns will sue the county ... lawyers get paid. If we have to expand sewer capacity on an emergency footing, that requires approval from the state ... more lawyers' fees.

2,949 posted on 01/20/2007 11:03:18 AM PST by Tax-chick ("I don't know you, but I love who you seem to be.")
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To: NicknamedBob
I would submit that that is the defect. Perhaps their brain's pleasure center is wired in too close proximity to something else. A physical problem can usually be addressed in some manner.

The irony is that extreme guilt, far from improving behaviour, can actually be the driving force behind perverse activities - the very fact someone feels something is wrong is the very reason they do it!

2,950 posted on 01/20/2007 11:06:26 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite; Harmless Teddy Bear; Tax-chick; Dead Corpse; King Prout
"... to adapt away from hunter/gatherer to Social Man. It'll take 100,000s of years for that to happen, assuming evolution is true...."

The concept of 'evolution to Social Man' frightens me. It is perhaps a fear we all could share, regardless of our viewpoints regarding evolution.

Obviously, Democrats have one view of the socially adapted animal, and most of us have another. I would prefer the Geico Caveman to the wussified dregs of manhood that typifies the Dem demographic.

What should Social Man be? Altruistic when it is logical to be so. Independent when that is needed. Honesty seems a prerequisite also.

I could be comfortable in a world of Boy Scouts, but a world of mercenary volunteers is a nightmare.

2,951 posted on 01/20/2007 11:11:04 AM PST by NicknamedBob (My tuner doesn't have good taste the way it used to!)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
"The irony is that extreme guilt, far from improving behaviour, can actually be the driving force behind perverse activities ..."

Among the carrots and sticks of emotional motivations, guilt is one of the sticks. I'm more inclined to try to motivate people by what they want, not by what they fear.

2,952 posted on 01/20/2007 11:14:33 AM PST by NicknamedBob (My tuner doesn't have good taste the way it used to!)
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To: NicknamedBob

It's only a fledling idea of mine... I have comment many times on how I believe Man is too flawed for any political system, even saner systems like constitutional democracy - it's just a theory that aeons from now Man will have evolved enough to exist more rationally in complex society, and in doing so, no political systems will be required.

Of course, that's assuming Man doesn't bring upon himself an Orwellian self-perpetuating nightmare in the meantime...


2,953 posted on 01/20/2007 11:16:17 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: NicknamedBob

I'm not evolving. This is what you get!

Pat's a superior life form, though!


2,954 posted on 01/20/2007 11:17:55 AM PST by Tax-chick ("I don't know you, but I love who you seem to be.")
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To: NicknamedBob; Dead Corpse; Knitting A Conundrum; Tax-chick; Irish_Thatcherite
"Why do they enjoy it?"
I would submit that that is the defect.

I would disagree. They enjoy it because evil is enjoyable when you have carefully cultivated that part of yourself.

Small evil acts give a thrill. You can recognize that and suppress it or you can recognize that and cultivate it and then move on the bigger and bigger evil acts to get the same thrill.

2,955 posted on 01/20/2007 11:18:47 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (We must have faith For when it is all said and done, Faith manages. And the impossible is achieved)
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To: NicknamedBob
Among the carrots and sticks of emotional motivations, guilt is one of the sticks.

It can drive a donkey in the right direction, a mule will bucklash!

2,956 posted on 01/20/2007 11:22:27 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Dead Corpse; Knitting A Conundrum; Tax-chick; Irish_Thatcherite
"Small evil acts give a thrill."

I don't agree. I experience such things as moments of intense regret.

If you are traveling, and your vehicle kills an innocent animal, you should feel something.

If you feel a thrill, there may well be something wrong with you. It doesn't make you evil. What makes you evil is consciously seeking out the thrill that such an act provides.

Each of us must weigh these things for ourselves. Evil is not what you feel, it is what you do.

2,957 posted on 01/20/2007 11:27:21 AM PST by NicknamedBob (My tuner doesn't have good taste the way it used to!)
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To: NicknamedBob

Nicely put.


2,958 posted on 01/20/2007 11:33:10 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
"Small evil acts give a thrill. You can recognize that and suppress it or you can recognize that and cultivate it ..."

You may be more correct than I. It would explain why some people can be drawn into evil by evil devotees.

Although some seem able to resist the so-called "attraction" of it.

2,959 posted on 01/20/2007 11:34:26 AM PST by NicknamedBob (My tuner doesn't have good taste the way it used to!)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
The problem with most political systems they are built for perfect rational people led by great leaders. Those are in short supply. :)

If you want something that is built to last you must have a core value system and a core purpose coupled with the flexibility to change to accommodate changing cultural and operating practices and the ability to adopt new goals and strategies as needed.

Also the ability to change without dismantling the whole system. We all make whoopsiees. Being able to back up, say "ok that didn't work" and change course is vital.

You need a system that will keep plugging along even with mediocre leadership. The number of political systems that are designed for that are rare indeed.

2,960 posted on 01/20/2007 11:34:49 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (We must have faith For when it is all said and done, Faith manages. And the impossible is achieved)
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