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Bikers Playing Fast and Loose
LA Times ^ | 11.29.06 | Ralph Vartabedian

Posted on 11/30/2006 10:29:41 AM PST by absolootezer0

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To: absolootezer0
My suggestion: Instead of fines of a few hundred dollars, how about a $5,000 fine or vehicle forfeiture for exceeding the speed limit by more than 50 mph with any vehicle? It could take such penalties to get the message across that people like Elisa Gigliotti should still be alive.

How about the same for people who fail to yield resulting in the death of someone on a motorcycle....?

No, I'm not exactly holding my breath, here.

121 posted on 11/30/2006 11:52:06 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

heheheh, good one.


122 posted on 11/30/2006 11:53:59 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: absolootezer0
A buddy and I were cruising I90 just west of Seattle one Sunday morning doing about 75.

Suddenly there was a whoosh and a pressue envelope...followed by two more. We were passed by 3 guys on rice rockets doing AT LEAST 120. It scared the hell out of us...we never saw them approach and they were nearly silent.

About 20 miles up the road we saw two bikes pulled over...frantic. One of the riders apparently blew a rear tire and went off the road. It wasn't pretty.

123 posted on 11/30/2006 11:55:04 AM PST by Mariner
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To: Ouderkirk

"Kawasaki Ninja ZX-11
Yoshimura Pipe
Lectron Flat slide carbs (44mm)
Shaved head to get 12:1 compression. "

I have a ZX12R, and I still give in to the guilty pleasure of an 80 or 90 mph wheelie pass around some slowpoke, and I'm almost 50 years old now. But I never do any "ridin dirty" without leathers, boots and full coverage helmet. I want all my pieces in one bag.

Oh, and I have one speeding ticket in my whole driving career, and that was for going 100+ in my truck. I had just gotten it, and wanted to see if the motor really shuts off at 100. It does.


124 posted on 11/30/2006 12:00:18 PM PST by mutley
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To: FNG
I agree with you, but as a lifelong rider, I am more concerned about the lack of riding skill possesed by some Harley posers who buy Harleys to feel manly. Say "countersteer" to a group of Harley riders and one may know what it means. Do the same to a group of sportbikers, and a lot of them could probably describe it.

Yep. Imo, you have described another phenomenon which partly accounts for the increase in fatality rates--one riders have to correct.

125 posted on 11/30/2006 12:00:45 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
How about the same for people who fail to yield resulting in the death of someone on a motorcycle....?

Can't yield to something you never see. Idiots that fly on bikes or cars like this on public roads are asking to die, hell they are begging for it. Whatever funds this maniac on this bike had should go to the victims family.

126 posted on 11/30/2006 12:02:39 PM PST by SwordofTruth (God is good all the time.)
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To: absolootezer0

This guy was going 80mph in a 25 mph zone and you defend him by calling the article anti bike bias ? She could easily have stopped and looked and seen nothing coming, then, pulled out in front of him considering the speed he was traveling. His actions are indefensible. How old are you 13?


127 posted on 11/30/2006 12:04:35 PM PST by Ditter
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To: kempo
"The car Failure to Yield,"

I'll let you reason it out.

Say the estimated speed is 100mph which is 1.67 miles per minute. This further breaks down to 146.96 feet per second. You are on a low posted speed city street...what would you reasonably expect of a vehicle in the distance?

Oh, but he was only doing 80 mph. Okay then, 117.30 fps.

128 posted on 11/30/2006 12:05:43 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: mutley

I have to disagree. I'll add that it depends not only on the road, but the bike.

Clingmans Dome Road, Little River Road, Hwy. 441, Newfound Gap Road, all in the Smokies, are "ridable at 80", but 80 can nevertheless be classified as "screaming", especially if you're trying to throw a 1000+ cc flatliner through those curves.

Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen one of the "fashion boys" on their superbikes navigating that road with anything other than comic ineptitude. Heck, old fashioned Yamaha 350 and 400 2-strokes and Ducati Desmos (of which there are still quite a few in and around Knoxville) handle those roads better.


129 posted on 11/30/2006 12:07:26 PM PST by atlaw
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To: mutley

At what speed does your brain shut off?


130 posted on 11/30/2006 12:07:36 PM PST by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Ouderkirk

My reference to my one speeding ticket (on a bike) is relevant simply to show that one can be a biker without being an idiot.

Many traffic are intended to generate revenue, but not most. You're too emotional about this.

A killjoy is someone who prevents another from experiencing joy. I've not prevented you from doing anything. If joy is riding 180 MPH on an open road, you need a new perspective.

If your stunt (most guys are past their perception of invincibility by 26) was not arrogant and stupid, how would you describe it, now that you are older and, presumably, wiser?

And when you die, eternity: smoking or non-smoking?


131 posted on 11/30/2006 12:07:42 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: FNG

There is NOTHING in this world funnier than watching a harley "rider" drop his bike. I saw two during Biketoberfest this year.



I just found out this year that they (HD) made motorcycles. For the longest time I thought they just sold T-shirts, patches, coasters, shot glasses, leather vests, patches, bottle openers, clocks, patches, stickers, and (lest I forget) patches.


133 posted on 11/30/2006 12:09:03 PM PST by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: absolootezer0
... many older riders past their prime ...

I resemble that remark!

134 posted on 11/30/2006 12:09:31 PM PST by JoeGar
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To: bagadonutz
or worse yet - in a toyota prius?

Ugh! Not only would there have been flames, but there also would have been battery acid all over the place.

135 posted on 11/30/2006 12:11:36 PM PST by JoeGar
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To: Triggerhippie
For the longest time I thought they just sold T-shirts, patches, coasters, shot glasses, leather vests, patches, bottle openers, clocks, patches, stickers, and (lest I forget) patches.

... for WAY too much money.

136 posted on 11/30/2006 12:12:07 PM PST by proud_2_B_texasgal
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To: Locomotive Breath

"At what speed does your brain shut off?"

You sound like someone, if around me, who would let their mouth get them into more trouble than they could deal with.


137 posted on 11/30/2006 12:12:09 PM PST by mutley
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To: Ditter

ok, so where do you stand on guns? if he shot her, is it the guns fault or the shooters fault?

if he smacked her with a hammer, is it his fault or the hammer's?

if it was an eeeeeevil SUV, is it his fault or the SUV's?

i'm not defending his actions. guy was a squid, but that is NOT the bikes fault.


138 posted on 11/30/2006 12:12:25 PM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: taxed2death

well a middle aged beer drinkin bellieless biker here

no tatoos, piercins' or brains


139 posted on 11/30/2006 12:13:25 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: Ditter
"This guy was going 80mph in a 25 mph zone and you defend him by calling the article anti bike bias ? She could easily have stopped and looked and seen nothing coming, then, pulled out in front of him considering the speed he was traveling. His actions are indefensible. How old are you 13?"

My guess is that he is a biker that thinks everyone should get the heck out of his way when he speeds on the road because he is "special" and should get to do whatever the heck he wants on public roads. They make me as mad as hell. Why? Because of all the people they endanger with their stupidity.

140 posted on 11/30/2006 12:13:46 PM PST by SwordofTruth (God is good all the time.)
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