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Libertarians, Please GO AWAY
Vanity ^ | 11-08-06 | Me

Posted on 11/08/2006 10:24:16 AM PST by Keltik

At this link: http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

Neil Boortz is quoted as saying: "So how did I actually vote when I got that provisional ballot in my hand. Straight Libertarian."

Thank you Neil Boortz. Thanks to you and those who think like you, we now have the Democrats in control of Congress. I hope you and your ilk are very happy.

Free Republic is allegedly a CONSERVATIVE web site. Will you libertarians please go somewhere like Lucianne.com, where you can laugh and smile about how you put the Republicans out of power, and leave Free Republic to the conservatives.

Oh, and one more thing.

Neil Boortz -- GO TO HELL.


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To: looscnnn
Hmm, let's look at some of the numbers (I have been).

That would make too much sense. What kind of peole actually look at the evidence before they start throwing around accusations?

241 posted on 11/08/2006 11:55:03 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Oberon

Small l libertarians who voted R are not the problem. The 50,000 who voted Big L in Missouri, where Talent lost by 27,000, are. They gave us McCaskill and Majority Leader Reid. They also have made the difference in Montana, and who knows where else. Thanks a lot, jerks.


242 posted on 11/08/2006 11:55:41 AM PST by Defiant (The shame of Spain has stained the fruited plain.)
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To: meandog

Talk about hypocritical!

As in 2004, 2002, 2000..the GOP begs the libertarians for their votes while simultaneously telling them to go to hell.

One day the libertarians cost them elections, the next day the libertarians are too small a group to have impact.

Well...which is it? LOL


243 posted on 11/08/2006 11:56:06 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: NCSteve
Next you'll blather on about how Algore or S'Kerry would have been a better choice. - Have we also forgotten about the first 4 years of pure obstructionism? leaks? lies? embedded clintonistas? negative MSM drumbeat? Michael Moore? 9/11?

It goes on ad nauseum.

244 posted on 11/08/2006 11:56:11 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Quick, tell my why Bush didn't Veto McCain-FEINGOLD... Or why he threatened to Veto legislation to close the border.

Bush is only the Second President in history to never veto anything. And yes, other Presidents have in fact vetoed their own parties legislation. thomas.loc.gov has the records if you want to look them up.

245 posted on 11/08/2006 11:56:21 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: LdSentinal

Because of Ls, we lost Montana.

Because we lost the senate seat in montana, we lost the senate.

Because we lost the senate, we will not regain the Supreme Court.

Becuase we lost the Cournt, there will be lots of dead babies.


Yep, they certainly didn't help.


246 posted on 11/08/2006 11:58:40 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Keltik

First, the GOP doesn't own the votes of everyone who isn't a Democrat.

Second, the GOP has to field candidates and run campaigns that EARN votes.

Third, make up your silly mind, you GOP above all else voters! One day the libertarians don't represent enough to merit any respect then the next day you blame lost elections on the libertarians!

Maybe, just maybe, y'all ought to look in the damned mirror to see where the real problem is.


247 posted on 11/08/2006 11:59:25 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye
As in 2004, 2002, 2000..the GOP begs the libertarians for their votes while simultaneously telling them to go to hell. One day the libertarians cost them elections, the next day the libertarians are too small a group to have impact.

That's really quite a hoot. I can't tell you how many times in the week prior to the election I was told in so many words to shut up about conservatism and just vote "R."

Well, I did the latter, but without doing the former.

248 posted on 11/08/2006 11:59:33 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Mad Dawgg

"They just sign bills or Veto them!"

Yeah, that's right! SHOW ME THE VETOS!


249 posted on 11/08/2006 12:02:04 PM PST by Scarlet Pimpernel
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To: FreeInWV
"Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the administrative branch initially propose the budget?"

Yeah He can. but their is No Constitutional power for him to do so. So unless some lowly Congressman agrees to sponsor such it basically is a big pile of papers.

Yet you will hear people yammer on about the President spent this and that.

Here is the easy way to remember how it all works.

The President proposes, and Congress disposes.

But, the President does not have on sinlge penny in spedning power unless Congress gives it to him.

Here is the part of the Constitution that deals with presidential powers:

Article II.

Section 1
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not lie an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner choose the President. But in choosing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall choose from them by Ballot the Vice-President.

The Congress may determine the Time of choosing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section 2 The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section 3
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section 4
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

And then there is this from the Constitution on spending:

Section 7
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.

250 posted on 11/08/2006 12:03:14 PM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: McCain-Romney2008

I agree. Mary Landrieu is up for re-election in Louisiana in 08. I hope we can get a conservative in that position.
Bobby Jindal did GREAT in the election!!!!


251 posted on 11/08/2006 12:03:18 PM PST by Bitsy
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To: Element187
heres a clue GOP, start acting like conservatives and fix it.

Amen brother. If we stopped whining about these insipid "litmus tests" and got back to the core values (which, by the way, are quite similar to what I call the SMALL L libertarian), Nancy Pelosi would still be some wide-eyed left-wing lunatic back-bencher today instead of number 2 in line for the Presidency!

252 posted on 11/08/2006 12:03:47 PM PST by ssaftler
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To: Constantine XIII

Because he's an idiot, Conrad Burns took Abramoff's money.

Because of Abramoff's money, Burns gave special favors to Indian tribes.

Because of special favors to Indian tribes, Burns lost the election.

Because Burns lost the election, the GOP lost the Senate.

Therefore...

Because Burns is an idiot, the GOP lost the Senate.

Puts a whole different perspective on things, don't it?


253 posted on 11/08/2006 12:04:12 PM PST by Ace of Spades (Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Uncle Vlad

I agree, I have been so angry with the Republicans for so long. I have emailed my officials numerous times, President Bush and expressed my outright discust with the way the RINOS have been conducting themselves for the past years. We were the ones that put them in power and they had no earthly idea how to lead. They were no better then the Dem's, concerned with only their power and position. Now, President Bush is left hung out to dry, but then he too, could have been more assertive at times, more often than not. I loved it when he would give them the what for.
Now, we're back to square one, maybe -2.


254 posted on 11/08/2006 12:05:14 PM PST by southernindymom
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To: MplsSteve
Considering there really is no central libertarian philosophy other than "the minimal government necessary" I don't think our Founding Fathers would have a problem with them.

The FF would definitely go ballistic over the statist views of both major parties. Hell, we have people on this very forum who think the government should control every aspect of an adult's life.

255 posted on 11/08/2006 12:08:10 PM PST by Junior (Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.)
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To: Ace of Spades

So, because Burns was a moron, it makes it ok for the Libertarians to be morons. AMIRITE?

Two wrongs don't make a right, but they will take us left.


256 posted on 11/08/2006 12:08:59 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Sunsong

I've not come across instapundit before, but I totally agree with the partial list of unforced errors.

Perhaps someone should start a thread that "social conservatives" cost Republicans the election.

I really think the 800-lb gorilla in this thread is the abortion issue. Of course, Libertarians and Republicans with lib leanings think, as I do, that the Feds have no role in this. That does NOT mean that Libertarians favor abortion. It is a state issue, since there are nothing in the Constitution that touches on abortion.


257 posted on 11/08/2006 12:09:23 PM PST by dashing doofus
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To: CWOJackson

"The base voted...you folks pouted"

And Republicans LOST. Happy now?


258 posted on 11/08/2006 12:10:33 PM PST by Scarlet Pimpernel
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To: Junior; DesScorp; Seven Minute Maniac; Ace of Spades; Keltik
"Liberty" now equates to "liberalism?"

And vice versa.

Liberty

3. freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice.

Liberalism

1. the quality or state of being liberal, as in behavior or attitude.

Remember the classical definition of Liberalism?

2. a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.

Also,

a. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.

That's been supplanted by the newer definition. Ask anybody today what is a Liberal, and you'll probably get the former definition, rather than the latter. Most people (except Conservatives, of course) don't even know what a Classical Liberal is.

259 posted on 11/08/2006 12:11:05 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: DesScorp

Well, if that happens, and Rudy or Romney gain the nomination, you will not vote?

I guess then someone can start a thread saying "social conservatives" caused Hillary to win.


260 posted on 11/08/2006 12:12:28 PM PST by dashing doofus
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