Posted on 10/25/2006 7:54:41 AM PDT by BILL_C
If there was a 2nd Shooter, the whole assassination was definitely conceived & funded by the Mafia, probably New Orleans capo Carlos Marcello.
Why are they quiet?
Criminals can be counted on to squawk, that's why I don't believe the mafia connection.
Paid mercenaries on the other hand, do their job and keep quiet.
There were a few mercs, Cubans to be exact, who were really hot at JFK (oink, oink).
I'm thinking guys like that, having gotten revenge, would rather die with the secret.
Just an opinion.
a) get stationed on a forward airbase in Japan that had recon flights into the Soviet Union.
b) go to the Soviet Union (the "defection") with a 1200 ticket from a 200 bank account
c) get back in the States, paid for by uncle sam, bring his sweetheart, and more importantly, not get charged with treason
d) get involved in a ruckous with Anti-Castro Cubans that was later determined to be orchestrated by New Orleans Police...."
a) Oswald spent very little actual time serving in his trained MOS as an Aviation Electronics Operator, considering his brig time, hospital stay from shooting himself in the arm, and unit movements. He underwent psychiatric examination and was pulled from the fleet. Thereafter, his job duties were menial in nature until he satisfied his sea duty time length requirement. He mowed lawns, emptied trash cans, and polished floors.
b) Oswald traveled on board the freighter SS Marion Lykes sailing from New Orleans LA bound for France inexpensively. From there he took a train to Sweden, acquired a six-day visitor visa to the USSR. He traveled inexpensively, expecting to never return. I don't know where you get the $200 figure, but Oswald had scrimped and saved his USMC pay for more than two years spending little and mooching quite a bit from his fellow Marines.
c) Oswald applied for, and got, a State Department loan for travel to return to the United States. He actually paid it back over time. What would he be charged with treason for? Have you read in the US Constitution about what it takes to charge an American with treason? It's in there, crystal clear. Why was the government unable to charge 'Taliban Boy' John Walker with treason?
d) That's the first time I've ever heard that the altercation in New Orleans with Carlos Bringuier (who is still alive, by the way) was orchestrated by the New Orleans police. Your conspiracy web spins so far as to implicate the New Orleans Police Department in orchestrating the events that ultimately led to the murder of JFK?
... Oswald was an intelligence officer of the US Government, and was till the day he died. He may have been in deep cover."
How so? Remember that Oswald just turned 17 when he joined the Marines, getting his mother's approval to enlist as a minor. Oswald was 19 years old when he was discharged from the USMC. Before being assigned to the fleet, his tech schooling was only about a month and a half long. The rest of his time was served (exluding his hospital stay and brig sentences) in plain view of his fellow Marines. After a nervous breakdown, he applied for and received a hardship discharge from the USMC after just three years to care for his allegedly sick mother.
When would the shadowy secret elements of the US government have had time to train teenaged Oswald into becoming a 'deep cover intelligence officer'? Do they have some high speed four week crash course which they give to shitbird high school dropout PFCs with undesirable service records? It is unreasonable to believe this.
"... But if we go by the evidence of the Zapruder film, and the Dallas Police sound recording, none of the shots from the Texas School Book Depository could have been fatal to Kennedy. The fatal shot sent him back and to the right, which meant the fatal shot came from the front and left of the motorcade, from either the Grassy Knoll."
No.
"... (The remaining incorrect data and unsupported claims)"
No. Just no.
No comment follows.
Stennis - 1973: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Stennis
Hale Boggs & Nick Begich - 1972: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hale_Boggs
I've got no idea who did it or why, but the thing that has always bothered me is the trajectory of the shot that went through JFK's neck. No book, no photos, no reinactment, nothing I have ever seen has explained the trajectory.
I've seen attempts to explain the trajectory... mostly by moving JFK's position, but nothing that even comes close to convincing me.
The entry and exit points of the neck wound simply do not match up with the claimed point of origin. Not even close.
jw
Cowinkidink???? Be afraid ..... very afraid .... NOT! God works in mysterious ways my friend.
Anyone who believes Oswald's rifle was something other than junk should remain silent.
The scope was not even attached properly even if it were something other than junk.
The Mannlicher-Carcano's only sin is selling for a bargain price.
Sorry but the rifle was so bad that it was called the "Mercy Rifle" in WWII because you couldn't hit anything with it.
And as I said the scope on Oswald's was improperly attached by Kleins and could not be used to sight a target properly. Only after it was shimmed up by the Ordinance Lab could it be sighted.
No way the bolt could have been operated with the rapidity required to make the shots in Dallas.
But you can believe whatever crap you wish.
I'm thinking guys like that, having gotten revenge, would rather die with the secret
REPLY:
OK, if it was a criminal element then WHY did the government lie at the time (the Warren COmmission) and why NOW?
WHAT I SHOWED was there were multiple shooters as TWO of the shots were 0.7 seconds apart. You've NEVER seen ANYONE say that John Connally was shot AFTER Presdent Kennedy was hit in the head. WHY NOT? An excellent witness said there were two shots, BANG-BANG. How come I have to pull that out of the Warren Commission testimony and talk about how it's OBVIOUS that's what happend?
IT simply doesn't make sense for the government to LIE about something so easily proven. IT may give you some idea WHY the Zapruder Film was locked away until 1975 when it was shown on TV. The why is because it's obvious that's when Connally was shot in the back.
The reason ALL the numerous authors have missed this is that EVERYONE assumed that Connally's wounds were ALL caused by one bullet. There was some questions raised earlier, but the Warren Commission crowd argued that it was too complicated unless one bullet caused all Connally's wounds. They are wrong.
The entry and exit points of the neck wound simply do not match up with the claimed point of origin. Not even close.
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The reason it is so hard to understand is that the bullet hitting JFK's back had NO point of exit. Those are the words of the FBI agent who found the wound in his back during the autopsy.
Not to jump ahead, but the bullet to his neck was, by the hospital staff, believed to be an entrance wound.
IF you believe the pictures I posted which shows Connally's head collapsing 0.7 seconds AFTER the shot that killed JFK, then you don't have to understand anything about the single bullet theory. I'll try to send you two pictures later when I'm on my other computer, one is the hole in JFK's shirt (the Warren Commmission NEVER saw that) and the other is the drawing the Warren Commission did see which shows the entrance wound to the back of his neck, something that we now Know did NOT happen.
The point of this exercise for me is to see IF there is enough information given to help you believe without any doubt how Connally was wounded that day. It is one of the most written about and investigated topics in history, and we've never been shown what really happened.
On to your other question...
I did mention that there's plenty of evidence and testimony that shows Lee Harvey Oswald didn't have a lot of money and was very stingy with his savings. For $19.95, the rifle jumped right off the page at him when he saw the advertisement. Remember that $19.95 in 1963 dollars is probably somewhere close to $150-$200 in today's dollars, maybe even more. An Omega Speedmaster Professional watch sold for $185 in 1958, but they're bought new for $2200 today. How much did a Ford Galaxie 500 sell for in 1963? Probably $2500 loaded? The point is that $20 was a lot of money to a schmuck doing spotty menial labor in 1963. In fact, when Marina Oswald found that her husband spent $20 to buy the Carcano, it started an argument between them because she couldn't believe he was wasting money when their family had so little. I think that I recall Oswald was paying $65 monthly rent in Dallas.
I suppose that Oswald could have purchased something more suitable to your tastes, like a Remington Model 742 Woodsmaster, but that was not an inexpensive rifle in 1963 retailing for about $139.95. James Earl Ray murdered Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King with one, unless we now have to debate that he wasn't the assassin either.
The bottom line is that Oswald spent what he thought he could afford, and unfortunately and tragically he got a good bargain for his money.
It must be close to November because the loons are out again.
The first bullet missed and hit a curb. The bullet fragments or concrete hit a guy standing near the underpass. That bullet or fragments were never found.
The second bullet traveled 2000 fps to hit the president 5 1/2inches [14 Centimeters]below the Mastoid Process[there's a picture of the hole and the ruler], it hit no bones and exited out his neck[1772 to 1,779 feet per second] clipping his tie[photos of the tie]. It traveled 28 inches away[trajectory report]to hit Connelly near the right armpit[Doctor's report] clipping his rib[Doctor's report]and keyholed out his chest
leaving a 2 inch by 1/2 inch wound [Doctor's report]. At this point it had only hit one bone and is now flying sideways when it hit the wrist [3/4 inch wound] and buries itself in a shallow wound[very little soft tissue damage,[Doctor's report] in the thigh leaving an amount of lead in the thigh. The amount of lead in the wrist and the bullet add up to the original weight of 161 grains which is the same amount of the bullets from the Western Ammunition Company. Connelly had a broken rib bone and wrist bone. {Doctor's report]. Cloth from his clothing was found in his wrist.
The third bullet hit Kennedy in the back of the head toward the right side. The bullet broke into two pieces and one piece cracked the inside of the windshield near the mirror. The second fragment hit the chrome strip at the top of the windshield. There are photographs in evidence of the crack and the dent. The two pieces were found at the front of the limousine, one on the floorboard and the other on the seat. The Zapruder film shows Kennedy’s head moving approximately two to three inches forward at the moment of impact. The photographs of Kennedy’s head and skull show a small entrance hole and a large exit hole. Cratering of the hole at the back of the skull is typical of entrance holes.
We can't help if you can't shoot. You should go to the gun range more often. You would be surprised how well a person can learn how to hit a nine inch target at less than 100 yards.
Hell, I will.
Hey, mods, remove this junk. We have an election to win.
You contend the single bullet theory happened and many support you.
BUT explain Connally's description of how the bullet drove him forward
Explain how a man so severely wounded can turn around in his seat to look back, and not just a glance but a full turn.
Explain how Connally held his hat even after the back shot to Kennedy (Connally's wrist was supposedly broken then yet he held his hat for another 5 seconds).
Explain why numerous people from the secret service man who first saw Kennedy's head in the limo to the Parkland Memorial staff to the Autopsy in Washington said the back of his head was blown out?
Have you ever seen the pictures of JFK's autopsy with stitches in the side of his head? I bet you haven't.
The few things I mentioned above are hard to explain, especially that nasty old turn made by Connally.
No, the single bullet didn't happen. One of the biggest lies in history is going down.
I'll take a dozen. Where and when?
I will have to study this one. Thanks for posting this.
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