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Duke Lacrosse 60 Minutes Broadcast (Live Thread)
CBS News ^ | 10/15/2006 | Locomotive Breath

Posted on 10/15/2006 5:52:10 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath

(CBS) The three Duke lacrosse players indicted for a rape they say they didn't commit are indignant over the effect the charges are having on their lives and their families.

In their first interviews, they speak to Ed Bradley this Sunday, Oct. 15, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Local News; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; durham; durhamdirtbag; nifong
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To: ltc8k6

Yes, Liefong truncated the normal, routine police investigation established to actually determine if a crime occurred and, if so, who did it.


1,281 posted on 10/18/2006 1:01:08 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: SarahUSC

From the Andersen piece at Lew Rockwell's site:

"It is supremely ironic that a number of real-live felonies have been committed by people in this episode, but none of them by the accused Duke Lacrosse players. Nifong’s illegal prosecutorial behavior, the filing of false reports, [b]and the destruction of exculpatory evidence[/b] are among the felonies committed by the prosecutor and the police. While I doubt anyone in authority will bring criminal charges against these rogues in a court of law, that does not mean they are innocent."

What destruction of exculpatory evidence?

Anyone know what he's talking about specifically?


1,282 posted on 10/18/2006 1:08:47 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: CondorFlight

Can't help you with the TIVO stuff, but I thought we already knew that Reade was "Adam". I'm sorry to learn about the rest of her story (kind of gross for public consumption). She tells a good tale, but she has to be able to prove it is more than that. I'd bet the farm, she can't with Reade. If he has a straightforward iron-clad alibi, combined with her photo I.D. of someone who wasn't even in Durham that weekend, then I think David and Colin should be fine. If Colin has additional alibi information, then it's O V E R.

Additionally, if this EVER gets to Court, the jury tainted, this will be overthrown in the higher courts. This verdict will never stand. In order to go after the D.A., the family has to win at the City/County level. With that, they will own Duke and Durham and Mr. Nifong will be out of a job shortly after that, unless Durham would rather have a criminal as their D.A. as opposed to someone honest.


1,283 posted on 10/18/2006 1:12:49 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Jezebelle

I believe it's the police tapes. The radio calls the defense asked to be preserved.


1,284 posted on 10/18/2006 1:13:12 PM PDT by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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To: Jezebelle

AV Phone records in memory of her cellphone perhaps?


1,285 posted on 10/18/2006 1:22:00 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: Jezebelle

Yeah, it's the AV's phone. Apparently, nothing can be retrieved from it.


1,286 posted on 10/18/2006 1:24:01 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Sue Perkick

I think that is the more obvious ones. The phone records seem to have been forgotten about - perhaps they were in fact recovered. Remember Stevens was going to review them before releasing them to the defense to protect uninvolved 3rd parties.


1,287 posted on 10/18/2006 1:24:32 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: Sue Perkick

Also true. They re-use them after every so many days.


1,288 posted on 10/18/2006 1:24:48 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: maggief

Pretty good article. The author seems to grasp the big picture well and understands that this was not helpful to blacks at all and race relations in general. He's got a nice, succinct writing style, too. He's a little weak on the obvious lack of guilt part made obvious by 60M, though, and that was a large focus of the program.

Thanks, maggief.


1,289 posted on 10/18/2006 1:29:38 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

They've already got a criminal for a DA, and seem to be on the road to cementing his position as such.

One-party rule.


1,290 posted on 10/18/2006 1:32:44 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Sue Perkick

Oh! I was unaware those had been deliebrately destroyed, or destroyed at all!


1,291 posted on 10/18/2006 1:34:02 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

The only thing that may not have been recoverable were text messages, right? Doesn't the service provided have records of calls made and received around and on the night at issue?


1,292 posted on 10/18/2006 1:35:35 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: bjc

They were released to the defense. My recollection, which may not be 100% accurate, is that Judge Stephens did not find anything protected under a third-party privacy interest.


1,293 posted on 10/18/2006 1:36:55 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: maggief
Read it, too. Agree with Jezebelle as to style, but I think the writer misses the part about the lack of investigation and the hijacking of the investigation. Seems he's a little shy about putting the blame squarely where it belongs. It's still all about racial problems and women's rights and his fear that real rapists will walk. The line about white rapists "waltzing" also struck me. Didn't I read that White on Black rapes are extremely rare? That when they are tracked it takes in all "Caucasians" like Hispanic gang-type rapes as well?
1,294 posted on 10/18/2006 1:37:23 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

Yeah, I agree. There is some bias in the piece exemplified by the belief that whitey "waltzes" in the rare event when he inflicts rape on a black woman, a fact the author neglects to mention, but nevertheless I see a hearty attempt to be fair in terms of the overall negative ramifications this has had on blacks, as fair as somebody writing for a black publication dares to be, at any rate.

We all know that some people beat the charges, no matter whether it's rape or murder, but for even one criminal to "waltz", be it white-on-black or black-on-white, is unfortunate and not beneficial to society.


1,295 posted on 10/18/2006 1:45:08 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Constitutions Grandchild
still all about racial problems and women's rights

The leftie bugabears, for the most part, don't exist. The lefties and MSM look and look for evidence, but it isn't there. So when something looks like it MIGHT prove their point, they pounce it it and say: See! It's OBVIOUS!

Problem is, it was never there in the first place.

people will always see what you ask them to look for.

1,296 posted on 10/18/2006 1:46:28 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Fido969

......and the dumbing down of Americans pushed by the left makes it easier day by day to accomplish the shell game you describe, "Look here, not there."


1,297 posted on 10/18/2006 1:52:56 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

The only thing I can think of is the police radio tapes from the night of the non-event. Osborn put in a motion to have those preserved but somehow they were erased anyway. Apparently they record over tapes after a certain time and I doubt the defense would be able to prove anything deliberate but I'm sure they're suspicious since this is Nifongland.


1,298 posted on 10/18/2006 1:58:13 PM PDT by SarahUSC
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To: SarahUSC

Well, it just doesn't wash with me that the tapes were simply recorded over because there was evidence on them as to when the "victim" first complained of rape. In the case of serious felonies, those are usually preserved, especially in absence of a 911 recording which are routinely preserved as evidence. We didn't have a 911 call regarding a rape, but we had police communication recordings as a substitute. Now, they may have been recorded over out of mistake or incompetence (nobody thought to keep them in lieu of no 911 call recording), but it looks to me like an attempt to water down Shelton's observations.


1,299 posted on 10/18/2006 2:03:40 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

I should add to the above, why record those communications at all if they're going to be recorded over so quickly that there was no chance to think about their use and grab them? Surely a watch commander or training officer listening to them for the purpose of making sure procedures are being followed and/or identifying areas of performance that need supplemental training, would notice that a rape claim is being made and carries the same evidentiary weight as a claim made through a 911 call.

It's possible, but doesn't really jive in my mind.


1,300 posted on 10/18/2006 2:09:26 PM PDT by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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