Posted on 08/20/2006 5:37:25 AM PDT by Rte66
For your bookmarking assistance, this is a reference list of links to the Aug 2006 or newer Free Republic threads on the topic of the JonBenet Ramsey murder case and the possible arrest of John Mark Karr as a suspect in her murder.
I apologize in advance for the format below but this is how it comes:
9 LOU SMIT: Can I touch just 10 a little bit before you move on. It's the 11 nightgown. JonBenet, did she own a life- 12 sized Barbie nightgown -- life-sized 13 Barbie doll? 14 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. 15 LOU SMIT: She did, big one? 16 JOHN RAMSEY: It was about that 17 tall maybe. 18 LOU SMIT: Did she used to 19 dress this Barbie nightgown in any type of 20 -- I keep saying nightgown, Barbie doll in 21 any type of clothing? 22 JOHN RAMSEY: She probably did 23 when she first got it. I don't remember that 24 she played with it much. I mean I can remember 25 the thing just sitting in the corner or 0685 1 something. 2 LOU SMIT: Where is the 3 Barbie doll kept normally, if you could 4 show us? 5 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, my memory of 6 is that -- oh, man, I can't find where we are at 7 here. Where is the second floor? I remember it 8 kind of sitting against the wall back here in 9 her room. 10 LOU SMIT: In her bedroom? 11 JOHN RAMSEY: In her bedroom. 12 I think that's the last time I remember seeing 13 it, which might have been, you know, months 14 before. I don't know. 15 LOU SMIT: We have heard 16 that a Barbie nightgown was one of her 17 favorite nightgowns. What can you tell us 18 about that? 19 JOHN RAMSEY: I think she had a 20 Barbie nightgown, yeah, as I recall. Pink, 21 maybe. 22 LOU SMIT: The night you put 23 her in bed, do you remember anything about 24 a Barbie nightgown? 25 JOHN RAMSEY: When I put 0686 1 her to bed she had on, when I laid her 2 down in the bed, she had on what she had 3 worn to the Whites. She had that same 4 shirt on when I found her. 5 LOU SMIT: What I am trying 6 to say, John, is where would that Barbie 7 nightgown have been? 8 JOHN RAMSEY: It would have either 9 been in her bathroom drawer here, which a lot of 10 them were kept. 11 LOU SMIT: Under the sink? 12 JOHN RAMSEY: By the sink, I 13 believe. It could have been on the floor or it 14 would have been in the washing machine. That's 15 probably only three places it would have been. 16 LOU SMIT: I would like to 17 show you photograph number 145, and this 18 is a photograph of the wine cellar and it 19 was taken at after the body was found. 20 But John, I would like you just to take 21 look at this, and again difficult 22 photograph, but tell us what you see. 23 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, that's looking 24 in the room from the door, I see the blanket 25 that looks like the one that was around her. 0687 1 There is a pink something, pink -- I think 2 that's the nightgown or. 3 LOU SMIT: That's what I was 4 going to inquire about. It is a 5 nightgown, it is a pink one, it is a 6 Barbie nightgown? 7 JOHN RAMSEY: It looks like 8 it's a shinier material than I remember. 9 (INAUDIBLE). That looks more like what I 10 kind of remember was on the Barbie doll 11 itself. 12 LOU SMIT: That one does? 13 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. If I had to 14 speculate, that looks too shiny, the material, 15 but it seems to me I remember that Barbie doll 16 had a shiny pink nightgown thing on it. 17 LOU SMIT: Why do you think, 18 John, that that's down here? I mean -- 19 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah, I don't. 20 It certainly should not be. I don't 21 remember seeing it. But I was pretty 22 focused, I guess, at that time. 23 LOU SMIT: Again, you had mentioned 24 the fact that the blanket had been wrapped 25 around her almost like, what did you describe it 0688 1 as? 2 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, she looked 3 very, like someone had very carefully placed her 4 on the blanket, wrapped the blanket around her 5 to keep her warm. 6 LOU SMIT: And then we have a 7 Barbie or a nightgown. There is just 8 suggestions that are made to that, and 9 what's your opinion of that, and what's 10 your impression? 11 JOHN RAMSEY: God, I can only 12 imagine it. That that was something very 13 perverted. 14 LOU SMIT: That's good 15 enough. Unless you have other thoughts or 16 comments on that, John? 17 JOHN RAMSEY: No. The only 18 thought I had, normally the winter, JonBenet's 19 nightgowns were cloth and they weren't those 20 silky, because they weren't very warm. And they 21 were always a cloth or a flannel kind of 22 material. That looks like a silky kind of 23 nightgown, and -- I don't even know she had -- 24 see, my recollection is Barbie nightgown, she 25 had a lot of these little nightgowns with faces 0689 1 on them and stuff, and I kind of remember a 2 Barbie one, but it was like a cloth nightgown 3 that had printed, a printed Barbie face on it or 4 something. 5 LOU SMIT: And this was more 6 like the one on the doll? 7 JOHN RAMSEY: That looks more 8 dressy. That looks like something that might 9 have been on the doll. 10 LOU SMIT: Mike, do you have 11 anything? 12 MIKE KANE: No. 13 LOU SMIT: Well then, I think we 14 can take, just let this grow into that.
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no you are not confused - this not a typical garrote
I think garrote is a style of killing by wrappping something around someone neck and applying tension. But this is not a sexual type garrote or a slow death torture style garrote.
I also thought they meant it was typical style garrote until rte66 said she could not keep the twist in the cord in their experiment, now I see why!
this is the original garrote - Spain created it...
http://www.occasionalhell.com/wiggedywack/garrotte.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/GarroteExecution1901.jpg/250px-GarroteExecution1901.jpg
then during wars they used wire garrotes, sneak up and wrap it around the neck of your enemy and twist it until you kill them.
http://www.museumofworldwarii.com/Images2005/05Garrottesm.gif
http://skit.id.au/gallery/2396-2/DSCF1795.jpg
Garrotte - Garrote
Exactly - I've done it with the same size cord. I can't make it do that if it's twisted. Other posters used to tell me it wasn't a working slip knot - that it was just a knot tied really tight in back, lol.
I made it work my way, over and over, even in miniature, lol. Couldn't for the life of me let go of it when twisted and have it stay in place. No way, no how. (Aside to stl: Not even wet!)
Jon Benet was sexually abused before any of this-old damage-should we not start there?
I have no desire to go there as I don't don't feel that she was sexually molested before all this.
Yeah, I know that was the look they were going for - and when a lot of people think of slip knot, they picture that, with a large loop you can put around something which you couldn't put it *over.*
I meant just tying a sliding knot towards the other end from the handle. It can be made tight and then used as a toggle-type slip-around loop or just used as is and the circle it makes being the perimeter of the enclosed object. Then it can be loosened, tightened, loosened, tightened.
I *would* but I haven't made a lot of friends at FR yet and I don't want to alienate a bunch of posters just yet, lol.
Are you doing ok, dear one?
good night - I will kill a potato later on Saturday using both methods and I'll post some pictures.
signed...
T.P.K. (The Potato Killer)
lol...
Sorry, took me a while to get the numbers out of the way to read it. It has been a long time.
I remember when they busted a perv somewhere who had all these mannequins and My Size Barbies with clothes for the little girls he lured. One was the exact little black or dark green velvet Christmas dress with the white lace collar, which JonBenet had on at the gingerbread party and we all freaked on the JBR forum when we saw it.
What was double freaky was the wedding dress that came with the My Size Bride Barbie. There were ballerinas, princesses, brides and so on. The dolls are 38" tall (not the 21" John guesstimated, lol) and the clothes are interchangeable with certain age little girls.
They always come with a nightgown and a little nightgown for a regular small Barbie doll. Moms finally got up in arms and made Mattel also include panties to go with them. They probably didn't have them when JonBenet got her My Size.
I recall wondering at the time if she had the wedding dress. It is really "freaky-deaky" to see a 3-yo in it. Reminds me of those Travelers' gypsy families who marry their kids off young and have fancy weddings and all that.
Later, tater-hater!
I keep thinking that because of the babysitter/tutoring he did, he was Red Cross Certified.
I vaguely remember a picture of a tournequet in my bro's Boy Scout Handbook.
I'm here, but don't know the answer to your question. Stlnative will need to answer, or one of the others who has majored in this aspect.
Tell me, please, if your're wondering if it could be a tourniquet, what would be the story there. We know what the purpose of a tourniquet is...to slow or stop bleeding from a wound. The wound she had was a terrible head wound, little or no external bleeding, right?
Are you saying the perp could have tried to apply a tourniquet after he horribly injures her head???
I'm just trying to understand. I do pay attention to your posts, always.
Just so you know...when the potato police come asking questions, I'm gonna have to direct them to your posting. ;)
OK then - now I don't feel so stupid. What I *don't* understand is how so many people looked at it and thought it made sense the way it was usually/commonly described. Maybe most didn't actually *look* ??
I think most people would read that as due to hemorrhage. I could be wrong, but he sees blood within layers of the BBB where it would not normally be or wouldn't drain and he describes it in the context of a hemorrhage. He describes livor mortis in other areas, so it doesn't seem like he would confuse the two. IMO.
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