Posted on 08/20/2006 5:37:25 AM PDT by Rte66
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as far as the white paint or why the interview?
June 25, 1998: JonBenet's parents are interviewed by investigators.
Well no.She died because some one sexually abused her before her death and also had knowledge of Literature.
Maybe the birefringent cellulose material found in her private area? I don't think it was white, tho - think it was clear shellac. Unless there was some white paint that scraped off of the paintbrush or was on the piece of wood found. Otherwise, I know green paint was mentioned.
If Lou was in that session, he's probably talking about his beloved windowsill.
Animals can be so adaptive. We live on a ranch and several months ago two feral dogs got into our calf pen where we were keeping the bottle fed calves and attacked them. It was terrible. One of the calves ended up loosing circulation in it's hind leg. She'd already had a rocky start to life, so we were rather attached to her from nursing her back to health before. We took her to the vet and had the leg amputated. It was the only way to save her life. People thought we were crazy, most would have put her down. To make a long story short, she recuperated wonderfully. She runs faster than she walks. Her little back end looks like a pogo stick because she has to bounce it high enough in the air to give time for her front legs to move. She's precious. She thinks she's a puppy. We haven't decided if we will left her have a calf yet. At first we weren't but she has adjusted so well. If we do we will have her artificially inseminated. We think she could handle birthing, but probably not the weight of a bull.
There was green paint on her face...somewhere. That paint was found on the floor right outside the cellar room where the urine discharge was found and the paint tray was located. The washer and dryer were, I don't know, 10 feet or so away.
Internal - total in the two layers where it was found at autopsy.
The loss of blood was all internal, between her scalp and skull around her entire head, and also on the right side of her brain. My layman's knowledge is not extensive enough to know exactly how to interpret these facts as regards how quickly it might have caused her death. I speculate that it was a brief time, because I know that massive bleeding leads to loss of blood pressure, which in turn stops the heart.
As for the county cornor's competency, you won't catch me insisting that such people are, by definition, competent.
You're also right that it's hard to interpret the garrotting if one assumes it was done as part of a coverup. But I struggle with that notion now that I've seen the autopsy report/photos. I don't think someone who was just trying to cover up the blow to the head would be prepared for what it would be like to strangle someone to death.
Not intending to be gross here, but it is well to understand exactly what the killer saw and did during that strangulation. The child's lips were turning dark blue. Large amounts of saliva and mucus were coming out of her mouth. If she were conscious when the strangulation started, she would have struggled as best she could. Yet the killer kept going. The killer turned and turned and turned and turned that garrot until it was so tight it made an extraordinarily deep groove in her neck.
And the ligature wasn't around the upper part of her neck, under the jawline where most stranglers kill their victims. The ligature was toward the base of her neck, with the front part going under the Adams apple. The muscles of the neck are stronger there, yet the killer applied immense force to dig that rope very deep into her neck.
I certainly could be wrong, but that, to me, speaks of enormous rage, not something done to cover up a prior act.
The notch wasn't.
Yes, I agree. There are some MD's who are FReepers, but this is the kind of thing they would need to volunteer for...wouldn't want to put them on the spot if they didn't want to comment on the case.
I must have missed that in the autopsy report. Really don't want to go back and read it again. So I'll take your word for it.
Sort of. I just don't recall the *white* paint you were asking about, or its significance.
To do well in pageants she would have had a certain amount of spunk and confidence. She also won the argument with her mother about what she would wear to the party, which means she had her own opinions and the ability to stand up for them.
Whether this would also mean she would resist/fight her intruder, I don't know, but she did have someone's DNA under her nails.
Not as much force as it would take to cause a similar wound in an adult.
Also, a weak person could do it if that person had enough leverage. Leverage and the mass of the object used increases force. Another child could easily do it with a swing of something like a golf club. If the child doing the swinging had enough room to swing the club so it picked up some speed, that plus the mass of the club head could do the damage.
In other words, lacking more information, we simply can't tell from the head wound how it happened. A forensic professional might be able to say from which direction the blow came and even take an educated guess as to the shape of the object that hit her. But I think exactly how it happened would remain a mystery.
You may be right about the lack of cover-up intent or whatever. I just don't want to exclude the possibility out of hand. Yes, looking at the autopsy photos was a bit shocking; I quickly ruled Burke out on lack of strength alone. An adult did this.
Some things to note:
researchers on forumsforjustice have noted that there were no scrapes on the body characteristic of a struggle, there was no neck muscle bruising (though the skin was bruised) which indicates struggle, and the saliva discharge was drool, also not indicative of struggle. If that's right then at minimum I think she was unconscious when the ligature was applied.
An interesting footnote is that the drool ran down the face outside the region of tape adhesive, meaning it happened before the mouth was taped. In other words, she was unconscious when the tape was applied. To me, that alone indicates a deceptive act.
I've struggled with how a family member could stomach 'faking' something like that at such a traumatic time. But that assumes they are like me...
I would agree with you except for one thing. To the best of anyone's knowledge, JonBenet's killing was a one-time thing. In other words, there isn't a sexual serial killer out there who has committed other murders that had the same or similar MO to the Ramsey killing.
If it's done only once, rage seems the more likely motivating factor. Again, I readily admit I could be wrong. What I've described is how the autopsy photos and report painted the picture of the killing in my mind.
Yea, she died RIGHT after the blow. Unless I'm missing something huge, I think that's safe to say now.
It's not really the base of her neck - there's a lot more of her neck below the ligature.
There is a difference of opinion on how the garotte worked, too. I never felt it was a twisted type because of the length of the rope and the small distance in circumference. I felt there would be more than just the one knuckle-type mark on the neck area where it was twisted.
I believe, until I hear differently, that it was a slip knot. I'm in the minority, I realize and will certainly concur if I have different info in the *next* 7 years or so.
This is an interesting fact, and one I wasn't aware of until now. Yes, I agree with you that it tilts back toward the direction of a cover up.
BTW, my gut instinct has always been that someone either in the family or close to the family killed that child. Unless the Boulder authorities come up with truly damning evidence against Karr, I'll have trouble believing he's the killer.
The autopsy documents the large scull fracture but says there is no brain swelling. It also says their is no organization with the bleeding. I have no idea what that means.
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