Posted on 08/20/2006 5:37:25 AM PDT by Rte66
For your bookmarking assistance, this is a reference list of links to the Aug 2006 or newer Free Republic threads on the topic of the JonBenet Ramsey murder case and the possible arrest of John Mark Karr as a suspect in her murder.
Have you located the VIN of his DeLorean yet? ;-)
Also see if you can find the one for the jag, he drove in CA.
JonBenet Suspect Ran Home Day-Care Center
http://cbs13.com/topstories/local_story_236105700.html
I use to assume it was them, just from their behaviour afterwards and negative media reports about them.
I know you've studied it and I've heard about the book Det. Steve Thomas wrote, who clearly saw everything through that prism of belief, and of interpretation of the evidence. I have read no books on the subject nor have I majored in it. I have seen tv stuff with Lou Smit, and I've considered bits and pieces of the situation and just thought a lot about it.
I now see the case as much broader than the narrow way I used to view it. The items and questions that point possibly to the Ramseys have not been honed in the crucible of a court proceeding. They have been worked on, yes, but they haven't received their trial by fire, so to speak.
I think there's also much there to suggest an outsider did the crime.
The ransom note has been misused because some experts said Patsy could have written it. But when you look at the content, the content makes no sense whatsover for Patsy to have concocted that bizarre mess. Makes much more sense that a wacked out intruder as weird and as much a sicko as Karr concocted it. If not him, then somebody else.
I don't see the Ramseys as these machiavellian people, not any more. They were wealthy and prominent and put their daughter into the pageant system which I totally disagree with. So they probably weren't, on the surface, too much like me. But I don't see them now as anything other than parents who would not have done such a thing, and in no way do I think Burke did the crime from a to z as someone suggested was possible.
I credit some of Smit's work just on the possibility of an intruder. And let's face that the Boulder police were in no way equipped to handle a case of this nature. They have botched and botched and botched it again and again. I'm glad Lou Smit looked for things that they did not appear to consider, and he found a bunch of them, all pointing to a possible intruder. Possible.
When I think about John Mark Karr, or a John Mark Karr type, and then I think about the Ramseys, and throw in the Boulder police investigating this crime, put me down on the side that this was done by an intruder and not the Ramseys.
I'm also very interested in S.B.T.C. I was before, when I first heard about it. I and others have been ridiculed for that but it's quite a coincidence that Karr makes a big splash with words starting with those letters, sort of predicting the future in a yearbook signing, then later confessess to a crime in which the ransom note had actually been signed with S.B.T.C. But the true clincher would be if he signed other things with that back before the murder.
If I were the prosecutor, I would not now be looking at the Ramseys. Did Karr do it? Not sure. There's enough there to make me take a long, hard look at Karr.
Then, if it isn't him, I'd be looking for the real intruder.
After the murder, before the move to CA.
What did I say? I said I would go back and read, hoosermama. And I will. Please don't think I wanted you to reprint all that stuff.
Did I hear FOX news say that Karr was under suspicion in 2001 for another child murder??
yes... her name was Georgia Moses
some details are here...
http://www.journaltimes.com/articles/2006/08/24/ap/headlines/d8jmngpg0.txt
this is all I have found so far...
http://www.free-webspace.biz/thevictims/moses_georgia.html
Your view is too narrow, just in my humble opinion.
This info that you have, as vital as it seems to you now, lacks perspective.
Don't get me wrong, you've got a lot of info about this and have reasoned sharply about a lot. However, the info is not 100% complete...there has to be other pieces of info you don't have or haven't looked at in a broader perspective, that would eventually play into the pineapple thing.
That's why we have prosecutors and defense attorneys and expert witnesses and scientific analysis and oral argument and investigative reporters on both sides of a guilt-innocence issue.
If someone else wants to engage with you about the "pineapple problem", based only on what we think is known about that issue right now, more power to them.
I'm not the one to do it.
Haven't been watching tv. I heard a few days ago that some authorities in 2 or 3 locations were looking back at their unsolved child murders with Karr in mind. I don't know what you just heard, though.
I checked to be sure about body "smell", which police reported when her body was brought up from the basement. The time it takes for that, depending on humidity, temp, body weight, etc., is 24 to 36 hours. Merging that with the rigor, the time of death was almost certainly very close to 10 p.m. (my understanding of time of death is that you are supposed to merge information from multiple observations b/c of variance - which is what I've done here). With the GI transit for the pineapple, the consumption of pineapple couldn't have occured any later than 10 p.m. That's even if we break with the forsensic constraints. This is the same time the Ramseys walked in the door. I'm puzzled as to how an intruder fed her pineapple then killed her literally within minutes of her walking in the door. Either there is something wrong with the forensics or there was no intruder.
More about putrefaction:
http://www.dplylemd.com/guest-articles/medicine-forensics/timely-death.htm
A woman in Northern California recorded conversations with Karr wherein he talks about killing JonBenet. The police searched his home and did some (I don't know how much) investigative work and determined he was not credible at the time.
If she has letters with SBTC I would say that's pretty compelling evidence.
Thanks.
I agree with 99% of what you said. The problem is that it isn't what we 'think' we know. This comes from the autopsy report itself. This isn't based on reports from the MSM, or defamation in public, or rumors. It's the forensics. It's hard to imagine how or why we can/should discard that kind of evidence.
CourtTV
Karr's arrest warrant can be unsealed - but the affidavit in support of the arrest warrant should remain sealed at this time.
So, no intruder? Then the Ramseys walked in the door, fed JonBenet pineapple, then killed her. Almost like bam, bam, bam. Right? See what I mean? You don't have everything you need, nor do I, to make sense of this. It's not our fault. But I do accept it. Maybe you should?
I'm not discarding anything. I'm hold in abeyance...holding off and accepting that not everything is all cut and dried and completely finished and completely accurate at this point. I don't care what it is.
You are hung up on time when the Boulder ME states "I consider estimation of time of death to be an interpretive finding rather than a factual statement,'' Meyer explained in a prepared statement that accompanied the report. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4191245
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