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To: Dante Alighieri
What is alien to science is supernatural phenomena, however.

If science were able to define supernatural, or if intelligent design fit the generally accepted definition, then you might have a point. As it stands, the words "natural" and "supernatural" are philosophical, and intelligent design has been observed on a wide scale, i.e. it is not supernatural or unobservable in the least.

The historic devolpment of the genome has only been observed on a limited scale. A similar structure does not necessairly mean one entity is historically derived from another. That's what I mean by circumstantial evidence.

Is the periodic table of elements circumstantial (or supernatural for that amtter)? Is their consistent expression of order and purpose? These things point toward intelligent design, which theory comprehends far more than a two-hundred-year attempt to concoct renditions of history that may or may not be in accord with objective reality.

541 posted on 08/21/2006 4:31:20 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"If science were able to define supernatural, or if intelligent design fit the generally accepted definition, then you might have a point. As it stands, the words 'natural' and 'supernatural' are philosophical, and intelligent design has been observed on a wide scale, i.e. it is not supernatural or unobservable in the least."

And... ID expressly holds itself to be a non-natural phenomena. No amount of waffling changes that. And no, CSI has not been seen and has been shown to be mathematically and biologically unsound.

"The historic devolpment of the genome has only been observed on a limited scale. A similar structure does not necessairly mean one entity is historically derived from another. That's what I mean by circumstantial evidence."

The common design argument? I already dealt with this:

Explain:

A) Identical ERV insertions at identical sites in humans and chimps
B) That 98.5% of our genome consists of pseudogenes and endogenous retroviruses

If you label that "common design," you're essentially saying that the Designer is an idiot.

"Is the periodic table of elements circumstantial (or supernatural for that amtter)? Is their consistent expression of order and purpose? These things point toward intelligent design, which theory comprehends far more than a two-hundred-year attempt to concoct renditions of history that may or may not be in accord with objective reality."

Non-sequitur. None of that even logically follows. I think you're leaving ID and entering arguments for God.


553 posted on 08/21/2006 8:47:03 AM PDT by Dante Alighieri
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