Posted on 08/09/2006 11:07:42 AM PDT by rider237
i did try to ignore you, but now you are just whining. if you read the post, you know that there was nothing derogatory directed at the general military. only at the pc leadership that will get your child, and my children killed.
I'm not whining. I'm just calling you on your lousy title, and your inarticulate, semi-literate griping.
Make your point like an adult, and we can talk.
If you can't deal with the criticism after you post a garbled mess like this, you need to think twice about whether you have the courage to survive on this forum.
btw, my son neither smokes nor drinks, and doesn't whine like you do either.....
i think i know, without going back, which post you are referring to. no offense intended.
we give the af a bad time because other services see the af as having cushy living conditions, and never doing much to get dirty. i know this is not true of all af but you have to admit, most of the time you guys have it better than other service members.
i see you can't read either. both my boys and my husband are in.
this isn't a game of who has more to lose. we all have a lot to lose if we dumb down our training.
BWAHAHAHA!
Is it the "crossing the quarter deck trying to act sober" that you think will make your "child" safer, or the "black eye from running into the bulkhead"? ;~)
good for him....although, i wouldn't count on it. we don't always tell mommy what we are doing, do we?
i am surprised he doesn't whine, but i guess he got the stones from his daddy?
And I never said I didn't agree with you about the PC leadership.
I just said that your title stinks, and you're a really bad writer.
At least make your insults accurate, newbie.
I try to keep my testosterone level down as much as possible.
(You really are a jerk, you know?)
THIS IS A RECOGNIZED STYLE, TOO.
We usually got 1 smoke and coke a day as it was called in basic. That was if everything went right. On Sunday it was a bit more lax and this was in 1976. Letting 18 years olds get tanked on 3.2 beer on base makes perfect sense. It's on base. They walk back to the ships or barracks usually a mile or more. Better to have them where they are safe than in town drinking much stronger stuff in illicit clubs. Base clubs were safe. Few fights, no weapons, and the riff raft con artist were kept out.
Times aren't changing. These things have been with us for a few thousand years. I speak from experience of a MED Cruise and a half of transporting drunk sailors from shore back to ship in port on liberty boats. The problem is being greatly overblown. Maybe twice a night on a carrier {meaning 5000 plus} one squid would have way too much and be a problem. You put a life jacket on the out of control drunk and did the following. You took 2 wire mesh stretchers placed him in it and tied it shut. Instant jail cell. You tied life jackets to the stretcher also. You took him back to ship and in a week or so he went to see the Captain who placed him on restriction to the ship for 45 days PLUS a mandatory ride along with Shore Patrol a few off nights to deal with the drunks. Most didn't repeat the offense.
It was just good old fashioned common sense and a good sailor was not lost due to PC. Next time he learned when to cut it off.
You were a HM1? Well you saw the basket cases then. Likely compared to the ship population a very small number. For those who don't know what HM means it means Hospital Corpsman IIRC. He would be the among the first to deal with the severe drunk upon arrival back at the ship.
ya, i know....
last time i trained with the marines, which was mid 90's, they sent a training officer out with us. do you know why? not to evaluate our training. it was to make sure that the trainers were not "abusing" us. abuse was either physical, verbal, or mental. they could not touch us, yell at us, or call us names. if we had a problem, we could go talk to the officer.
there was a training evolution that i vividly remember. i was out on the course and stuck my head up to see where i was going. as i did it, the gunnys big boot landed on my helmet. he spent the next 10 minutes mashing my head into the ground as he explained to everyone how this $##*%%#@ idiot had just cost herself and everyone around her, their lives. that lesson i never forgot, and neither did those around me.
i guess he could have politely pointed out my mistake, but i doubt it would have had the same impact.
i did see some nuts when i did hospital training, but i went with the Marines and had a much better time! not that i didn't see some nuts there......
I suggest you write the DOD that 18-21 years olds should have a right to chemically altered realities. Then post the response at Free Republic.
Drug use, however, is holding steady far below the rate for civilians.
The survey identified what Pentagon officials called a sizable group of military members who are having problems with stress and mental health without necessarily seeking help. Almost half of the respondents said seeking mental health counseling probably or definitely would damage their careers.
The results released Monday are from a survey conducted in the fall of 2002, just before tens of thousands of troops deployed to the Persian Gulf in preparation for the invasion of Iraq.
Dr. William Winkenwerder, assistant secretary of defense for health affairs, told a Pentagon news conference that survey data was as yet unavailable to measure mental health conditions among the 120,000 or so American soldiers who spent the past 12 months at war in .
The Army has studied suicides, which rose sharply last July, as the toll on American troops rose from the insurgency, but later fell to levels similar to peacetime averages. It found that many suicides were associated with failures of personal relationships and financial problems.
Of the 12,756 troops who responded to the Pentagon's 2002 survey, conducted at 30 military installations worldwide, about one-third said they felt a lot of stress in their military duties. An additional 30 percent said they felt some stress.
The most frequently cited sources of stress for men were deployment (18.9 percent) and separation from family (18.7 percent); the women cited changes in personal life (21.4 percent), separation from family (21.2 percent) and deployment (19.6 percent). Injuries, illness and workplace accidents were twice as common among those who described themselves as stressed.
The survey found that 5 percent of all who participated said they had considered suicide or self-injury within the year prior to the survey, and it found that heavy users of alcohol had more problems with workplace stress than abstainers, by a margin of 40 percent to 30 percent.
In specific findings:
-The share of military members categorized as heavy drinkers (having five or more drinks on a single occasion at least once a week) rose to 18.1 percent from 15.4 percent in the previous survey in 1998. When the survey was first done in 1980 that figure was about 21 percent.
-Military personnel aged 18 to 25 showed significantly higher rates of heavy drinking (27.3%) than civilians (15.3%).
-Cigarette smoking rose from 30 percent in the 1998 survey to 34 percent in the latest survey. This was the first increase recorded in the seven times military members have been questioned on this since 1980. In that first survey 51 percent were smokers. In the civilian U.S. population, about 31 percent are smokers today, according to figures provided by the Pentagon.
About 30 percent said they had taken up smoking since joining the military. Last fall military medical authorities said they found in investigating 19 cases of severe pneumonia among soldiers in and around Iraq that most had taken up smoking shortly before falling ill.
-The percentage who reported use of illicit drugs was 3.4 percent, up from 2.7 percent in 1998 but not a statistically significant change, according to Robert M. Bray of RTI International, which conducted the survey under contract to the Pentagon. He said the 3.4 percent for the military compares with about 12 percent for the civilian population of the United States.
-Forty-one percent of women said they were under a great deal or a fairly large amount of stress stemming from being a woman in the military. Women in the Navy had the highest rate (49 percent), followed by women in the Army (46 percent), Marine Corps (44 percent) and Air Force (31 percent).
In measuring overall job satisfaction, 65 percent indicated they were either satisfied or very satisfied with their current assignment. Satisfaction was highest in the Air Force (72 percent) and lowest in the Army (61 percent). Males and females indicated similar levels of satisfaction.
Survey results in full: http://www.tricare.osd.mil/main/news/art0514.html
thanks, you kind of made my point for me.
we are at war. that's pretty stressful for all of us. stress relief behavior goes up.
the first drug test i remember was in 1980....maybe that's why drinking went up after? :-)
without a good fog bank, GW probably would have lost the war. maybe a bit if swearing was called for?
nite all. thanks for the fun!
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