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Man dies doing community service
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | Posted on Fri, Aug. 04, 2006 | By Todd Mason, Inquirer Staff Writer

Posted on 08/04/2006 8:13:27 AM PDT by sportutegrl

The Delco coroner said the death was not heat-related. The man had heart disease.

A 59-year-old man stacking concrete blocks in this week's torrid heat to fulfill a community service requirement died of a heart attack, Delaware County officials said.

David Marvel of Essington was pronounced dead at Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital Tuesday after collapsing at a construction site at the Delaware County Emergency Training Center in Darby Township.

Medical examiner Fredric Hellman said heat was not a factor in the death because Marvel's body temperature was not elevated.

An autopsy yesterday indicated the cause of death was a heart attack brought on by arterial disease, Marvel's history of high blood pressure, and physical exertion, Hellman said.

Another man in the alternative sentencing program disagreed. "It was heat-related" said Aaron Keenen, who was working alongside Marvel. "I am 100 percent sure of that."

Keenen, 20, said he was alarmed by Marvel's appearance and urged him to drink water and rest. "He fell over and smacked his head on a piece of wood," he said. "We were dumping water on our shirts and putting them on him."

Marvel was in a program that allows participants to avoid trial and sentencing for first-time offenses, his attorney, Eugene A. Bonner, said.

"He was a law-abiding citizen all of his life," Bonner said. "He made a mistake. It's upsetting. It shouldn't be something where people are put at risk."

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To: sportutegrl
It should be a law that all members of a chain gang be allowed a visual image to keep their minds off the heat...


41 posted on 08/04/2006 9:41:47 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Dov in Houston
I've got to acknowledge that the story only tells what he told another worker he was arrested for, and the reporter did not, apparently, bother to check the arrest record.

It this is true, though, a couple of points. It's a lot easier to arrest people who aren't dangerous than to actually go after the bad guys. As to the body temperature not being elevated, if they took a core body temperature at the ER, it would tell if heat exhaustion or heat stroke was present. Core body temperature is a good indicator. However, the heat could be a contributing factor, even if it wasn't the cause. The cause could be a heart attack from exertion and existing coronary conditions. I tend to be skeptical of medical reports, particularly when they involve a governmental entity that may be at fault for the death. They're kind of like the old lawyer joke, "What's 2+2?" "What do you want it to be?"

42 posted on 08/04/2006 9:43:16 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (The most important thing is sincerity. Once you can fake that, everything else is easy.)
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To: takenoprisoner

" . . . and the innocent we let off with a warning." -
Old KGB motto from Gulag days.


43 posted on 08/04/2006 9:44:41 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (WARNING: Alcohol may cause you to think you are whispering when you are definitely not.)
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To: sportutegrl
Texas State Parks have the same rule. If it's in a glass container, you're really in trouble
44 posted on 08/04/2006 9:48:29 AM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: Drew68
The rangers should have just told him to dump it out --if they had that much of a problem with it in the first place. Instead they arrested him?!?!?

You can't meet your arrest quota doing that. I wonder how many Jaywalkers they got that day?

46 posted on 08/04/2006 9:52:08 AM PDT by subterfuge (Call me a Jingoist, I don't care...)
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To: Drew68
after reading about the young man who was arrested for asking a police officer for directions

Where's the story about the young man arrested for asking for directions?

In Philly, a few years ago, a teenager was arrested for calling 911 because he was lost.

48 posted on 08/04/2006 10:00:28 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: sportutegrl

Doesn't this fall under the "Cruel and unusual punishment" bit?


49 posted on 08/04/2006 10:04:43 AM PDT by Attillathehon
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To: Drew68

"Instead they arrested him?!?!?"

You are confusing a free state with a police state. Of course they arrested him.


50 posted on 08/04/2006 10:18:13 AM PDT by takenoprisoner (Could mecca be Satan's' throne?)
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To: Tired of Taxes
Where's the story about the young man arrested for asking for directions?

I'd be hard pressed to find the link but it happened a few months ago in Baltimore.

51 posted on 08/04/2006 10:23:41 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Borders.Language.Beer.
How is constructing buildings for the county "community service"? Sounds more like involuntary servitude to me.

Exactly. I did some community service as a teenager and it involved sweeping the floors at a public recreation center. A friend of mine sorted files and documents. At both places we were inside and the work was far from demanding.

Lifting concrete blocks is "hard labor" --the type of work associated with chain gangs and incorrigible prisoners.

52 posted on 08/04/2006 10:29:24 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Borders.Language.Beer.
Did this thread get pulled or something?

I don't think so. It's still here. Was this posted earlier, because I searched on the title.

53 posted on 08/04/2006 3:09:28 PM PDT by sportutegrl (A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
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To: Borders.Language.Beer.
How is constructing buildings for the county "community service"? Sounds more like involuntary servitude to me.

Just doing the work that Americans unions refuse to do.

54 posted on 08/04/2006 3:11:11 PM PDT by sportutegrl (A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
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To: Dov in Houston
Over DRINKING A BEER ? How sad.

Pennsylvania has some of the most antiquated, prohibition era liquor laws I have ever seen, but then I come from Louisiana originally.

55 posted on 08/04/2006 3:14:40 PM PDT by sportutegrl (A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
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To: frogjerk
Hard labor for drinking a beer while fishing but probation and release
for those molesting our children...sounds about right -sarc


I think that Dennis Prager covered liberal lunacy like this with one old
Jewish proverb.
As best I can recollect it, it says "Those who are kind to the cruel,
shall be cruel to the kind."

(Not saying drinking beer against local regs is "kind", but relative to
child molestation is sure is!)
56 posted on 08/04/2006 3:16:04 PM PDT by VOA
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To: from occupied ga

'If not, will it prevent him from voting Dem in the next election?'

'Not in Philly (and a couple of times in NJ too).'

+* +* +* +*

LOL. That doesn't stop them from voting in St. Louis either. Some of the dead people cast multi-votes.


57 posted on 08/04/2006 3:50:06 PM PDT by JockoManning (http://www.gravityteen.com)
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bttt


58 posted on 08/05/2006 5:48:48 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: PBRSTREETGANG; All
I thought it was a crime NOT to drink beer while fishing.

And it shouldn't be a crime, there are so many laws that it is impossible to not break one sooner or later... : ) <<< me

59 posted on 08/05/2006 7:12:22 AM PDT by stopsign ("What great fortune for government, That people don't think"....Der Fuhrer. Hummm.... : ) <<< me)
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