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To: MississippiMan
I knew I could depend on one of our FRevolutionists to post a beautiful picture and chart that is allegedly of an irrefutable transitional fossil that's widely accepted by the whole world, a picture that settles it once and for all. And I was right.

Unfortunately, like every other such example, 3733 isn't even settled in the circles of evolutionary dogma; its rightful place in the charts is far from obvious and irrefutable, even among the most faithful evolutionary apostles. As should be the case, since it's almost certainly just a human skull. Hint: There are MANY variations in the shape of the human skull, even today.

Like I said, there are NO obvious transitional fossils. Not one. Amusing that stuff like this is the best you can come up with, when Darwin's own writings made it clear that the fossil record should now be OVERFLOWING with them.

MM out.

No problem. I understand that you are totally opposed to transitionals, so, to you, none exist or can exist. Your belief has gotten in the way of any learning you might have acquired.

The lurkers will be able to decide who is putting up the best argument. I posted a nice hominid fossil and a chart showing its likely placement (identified in the label as a "best guess,") and you just state that it can't be a transitional because those things don't exist, no how, no way. You provide no evidence, no rational argument, just an unsupported statement.

And your comment, "There are MANY variations in the shape of the human skull, even today." And there are many more of humans and hominids and hominoids when you go back into the past. I have studied them--half time, six years of grad school, two of my specialties fossil man and human osteology. And you? From whence does your august learning come? (From your posts, it seems you are doing apologetics, rather than science.)

So, for your viewing pleasure:



Fossil: KNM-WT 15000

Site: Nariokotome, West Turkana, Kenya (1)

Discovered By: K. Kimeu, 1984 (1)

Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.6 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal & radiometric data (1, 4)

Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7, 10), Homo erectus ergaster (25)

Gender: Male (based on pelvis, browridge) (1, 8, 9)

Cranial Capacity: 880 (909 as adult) cc (1)

Information: Most complete early hominid skeleton (80 bones and skull) (1, 8)

Interpretation: Hairless and dark pigmented body (based on environment, limb proportions) (7, 8, 9). Juvenile (9-12 based on 2nd molar eruption and unfused growth plates) (1, 3, 4, 7, 8). Juvenile (8 years old based on recent studies on tooth development) (27). Incapable of speech (based on narrowing of spinal canal in thoracic region) (1)

Nickname: Turkana Boy (1), Nariokotome Boy

See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=38

202 posted on 07/23/2006 7:35:40 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman
I don't claim to know what exactly homo erectus and the neanderthal WERE; I DO know what they WEREN'T, which is any sort of friends of the theory of evolution. The neanderthal has been shown to be too far removed to be ancestral in any way to modern man and all other hominids are much further removed THAN the neanderthal. That basically breaks the chain and says that there is no plausible evolutionary antecedent for modern man on this planet.
216 posted on 07/23/2006 8:55:22 PM PDT by tomzz
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