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To: Coyoteman
I don't claim to know what exactly homo erectus and the neanderthal WERE; I DO know what they WEREN'T, which is any sort of friends of the theory of evolution. The neanderthal has been shown to be too far removed to be ancestral in any way to modern man and all other hominids are much further removed THAN the neanderthal. That basically breaks the chain and says that there is no plausible evolutionary antecedent for modern man on this planet.
216 posted on 07/23/2006 8:55:22 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: tomzz
I don't claim to know what exactly homo erectus and the neanderthal WERE; I DO know what they WEREN'T, which is any sort of friends of the theory of evolution. The neanderthal has been shown to be too far removed to be ancestral in any way to modern man and all other hominids are much further removed THAN the neanderthal. That basically breaks the chain and says that there is no plausible evolutionary antecedent for modern man on this planet.

Your information is faulty. I explained this to you within the past week on another thread.

Neanderthal is not an ancestor to Homo sapiens. That is accurate. But your mistaken notion that other hominids were farther removed from H. sapiens than Neanderthal is absolutely false.

Going back from modern humans there are a succession of archaic human species, all within genus Homo. You have species like H. ergaster and H. habilis for example. Earlier you have the Australopithecines.

It is a serious error to assume that because we are not descended from Neanderthal, we aren't descended from any other species and that this is a serious blow to evolution!

It doesn't take much; if you would spend just a little time studying evolution you wouldn't make such blatant errors.

Take a look at the chart again.


Source: http://wwwrses.anu.edu.au/environment/eePages/eeDating/HumanEvol_info.html

219 posted on 07/23/2006 9:05:35 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: tomzz
Re 216: I don't claim to know what exactly homo erectus and the neanderthal WERE; I DO know what they WEREN'T,

This is a classic statement from the evolution-deniers. IDists offer not a single laboratory study, not a single field observation, not even a single measurement of anything to support their position. Not a single positive contribution in any scientific discipline from an ID perspective. Not a single medical discovery. Never discovered a single fossil. It is a remarkable record of negative attacking and failing to take responsibility.

ID is entirely negative. Entirely "to prove what ain't" in their view, entirely based on attacking science and evolution. The IDist is like Tom Lehrer's wonderful lyrics: "When correctly viewed, everything is lewd."

I've begun to see that IDists are merely filled with fear, fearful of the beauty of the natural world, fearful of using the human mind to puzzle out how the world works, fearful for their religious doctrines. With all this fear, no wonder they are always so negative and have nothing positive to offer to scientific inquiry.

220 posted on 07/23/2006 9:19:51 PM PDT by thomaswest (On ID: "We've been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture.")
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