There is no "nonsense" about such extremes. They can easily exist in a lab or zoo, for example.
"No, they can't. Selection is ALWAYS present. You cannot get rid of it, no matter how much you try. Selection doesn't have to select for change."
Incorrect. Selection pressures do not have to exist, say, in a zoo...which is why *some* endangered species can survive in captivity that can't survive in the wild.
Ditto for a lab.
"Incorrect. Selection pressures do not have to exist, say, in a zoo...which is why *some* endangered species can survive in captivity that can't survive in the wild."
All that means is that the selection pressures are DIFERENT, not that they don't exist.