[js1138]

This nonsense about alligator mutation rates comes from the same school of biology that claims, after gazillions of radiation induced mutations, that fruit flies are still fruit flies.

[saleman]

If I see one more thing about "alligator mutation rates" I'm gonna shoot myself. Don't worry about supplying the gun, I own several (smiling?)

[Southack]

"This nonsense about alligator mutation rates comes from the same school of biology that claims, after gazillions of radiation induced mutations, that fruit flies are still fruit flies."

On the contrary, speciation from external bias (e.g. iradiation) rather than from random happenstance is the antithesis of "nonsense." Such cause and effect is the entire subject of debate in this controversy.