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Grand jury may consider new charges in Duke case
Raliegh Observer ^ | 5/15/06 | Ben Niolet

Posted on 05/15/2006 7:14:12 AM PDT by pissant

DURHAM - A Durham grand jury is scheduled to meet today, and the session could mean new charges in the investigation of a reported rape at a Duke lacrosse team party.

Two of the team's players were indicted in April on charges of first degree rape, first degree sex offense and first degree kidnapping. They are accused of assaulting an escort service dancer in a bathroom of a house at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. Their lawyers say the men are innocent, and lawyers representing dozens of team members say that no sex or assault occurred at the March 13 party.

But the woman says she was attacked by three men, and Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong said he has been working on bringing charges against a third person.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TODAY? If Nifong decides to submit the case, police investigators and possibly other witnesses will try to convince grand jurors in a secret session that the state has probable cause to bring a case forward. Grand jurors will hear only the prosecution's side of the case. The standard required for a true bill of indictment is far lower than the beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard required for a conviction.

IF INDICTMENTS ARE ISSUED, WHEN WILL THEY BECOME PUBLIC? On April 17, a judge ordered the indictments in the lacrosse case sealed. The names of the players who were indicted were not released until 5 a.m. the next day when the players surrendered at the Durham County jail. If Nifong again requests that the indictments be sealed, the law allows a judge to keep them secret until the person is arrested or appears in court.

WHEN WILL ALL THE EVIDENCE BE REVEALED? State law requires prosecutors to turn over all of their case files to defense lawyers, but nothing requires the evidence to be turned over to the public. In open court hearings, lawyers often discuss some of the evidence, but the state's case may not be revealed until trial. No trial dates have been set. When a report on the DNA testing is complete, Nifong is required by law to turn it over to all 46 members of the lacrosse team who submitted DNA samples.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? The cases against Reade William Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, N.J., and Collin Finnerty, 19, of Garden City, N.Y., are moving forward. Finnerty has a court date in June. Seligmann is scheduled to appear in court Thursday. His attorney, Kirk Osborn, has filed a series of motions challenging Nifong's handling of the case and asking a judge to bar the prosecutor from further involvement.


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: duke; dukelax; wtf
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To: ltc8k6

Or drug paraphanalia from one of the little bags she was carrying


1,841 posted on 05/16/2006 3:22:46 PM PDT by Neverforget01 (Proud enemy of the DBM)
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To: Neverforget01

Or a bunch of twenties belonging to the AV...

We could go on and on.


1,842 posted on 05/16/2006 3:23:51 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

Who knows? She could have brought something from the accused's bathroom with DNA on it! I would think both sides of this case would want that car inspected.


1,843 posted on 05/16/2006 3:25:18 PM PDT by Neverforget01 (Proud enemy of the DBM)
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To: ltc8k6

I can't believe the talking heads keep mentioning condoms.
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Yeah the talking heads are reduced to trying to argue her claim is not completely impossible.


1,844 posted on 05/16/2006 3:25:59 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Neverforget01; ltc8k6

I think Robert was long gone before Mangum ever cried rape. I suspect Mangum was headed to the drunk tank and she faked being drugged. I think then facing rehab on the way there she decided crying rape would solve her problems that night.


1,845 posted on 05/16/2006 3:29:24 PM PDT by JLS
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To: ltc8k6

You'd think a sex worker would have alot of community service hours.


1,846 posted on 05/16/2006 3:29:39 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: stands2reason

Very kind of you.....you're a nice person. God bless!


1,847 posted on 05/16/2006 3:31:59 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: JLS
I don't think she faked being drugged. I think she administered a drug to herself in the bathroom. I have no proof of this..just my guess.

Even though Roberts was long gone, her car could have been searched just as the home was days later. I'm not certain when it became clear that Roberts was the other dancer and that it was Kim who made the first 911 call. Once she was known to have been part of the incident her car should have been searched, but maybe they couldn't get a warrant. They sure got a warrant for McFayden's room in a hurry.

1,848 posted on 05/16/2006 3:36:20 PM PDT by Neverforget01 (Proud enemy of the DBM)
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To: Neverforget01

Even though Roberts was long gone, her car could have been searched just as the home was days later. ... They sure got a warrant for McFayden's room in a hurry.
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They did not believe the woman at the stage Robert's car might have been searched. The Duke PD report is accurate.

Nifong had grabbed this as his ticket to election by the time they were doing the show search of the dorm.


1,849 posted on 05/16/2006 3:39:03 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Neverforget01

>I don't think she faked being drugged. I think she administered a drug to herself in the bathroom. I have no proof of this..just my guess. <

People could take date rape drugs recreationally. Or Mangum could be taking more illicit drugs.

If a tox screen was done, Nifong has no way to hide this.


1,850 posted on 05/16/2006 3:39:09 PM PDT by OrinocoJack (Free the Ham Sammich! Disbar Nifong!)
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To: OrinocoJack
If a tox screen was done, Nifong has no way to hide this.

If I read correctly on a prior thread, the victim must agree to the tox screening; I have a strong hunch she refused.

1,851 posted on 05/16/2006 3:43:12 PM PDT by Neverforget01 (Proud enemy of the DBM)
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To: LWalk18
And while rape can be about sex, recently in my area a 90 year old women was raped in her home by a 20-something assailant- do you think that was about sex?

It's a sexual perversion called a "Grandma" or "Oma" fetish. "Oma" is German for Grandma -- I guess it's big in Germany or something....

(Learned the hard way while downloading cartoons on Limewire. You want to talk about icky spam results, ewwww.... I'm thirty-seven years old but some of this stuff is just "too adult" for me to even know about it! I want my innocence back!)

1,852 posted on 05/16/2006 3:43:49 PM PDT by stands2reason ("Patriotism is the highest form of dissent." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

FWIW ...

http://forums.go.com/abclocal/WTVD/thread?threadID=117167

Re: Re: Jakki = tates5a ? Author: WCY3407

ACTUALLY JACK NOT JAKKI. I THINK TATES OR JAJA IS JACKKI/JACK. HE IS A HOUSEMOM FOR STRIP CLUBS IN RALEIGH!

Posted: 5/16/06 5:49 PM
Re: Re: Jakki = tates5a ? Author: LawShack

You mean the cousin works at a strip club?

Posted: 5/16/06 5:59 PM
Re: Re: Jakki = tates5a ? Author: WCY3407

OH YEAH. ! ACTUALLY JACKIE IS A MAN. HE'SHE CAN BE VERY CONVINCING! SHE USE TO TELL ALL THE BLACK DANCERS THAT BLACK MEN DO NOT WANT TO WORK AND THAT THE WHITE MEN ARE THE MONEY.IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME CALL THE CLUBS AND ASK "DOES JACKIE STILL WORK THERE?"
Posted: 5/16/06 6:11 PM


1,853 posted on 05/16/2006 4:00:23 PM PDT by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: maggief

Shep Smith just said on FNC the defense has released the polygraph in the Duke case!

Information coming up.


1,854 posted on 05/16/2006 4:00:34 PM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: Howlin; stands2reason; All

SHEP JUST SAID POLYGRAPH RESULTS WERE RELEASED!!!!


1,855 posted on 05/16/2006 4:00:58 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Guenevere; JLS; Dukie07; Howlin; Locomotive Breath; Jrabbit; investigateworld; maggief; TexKat; ...

Ping. Polygraph results released. On Shep's Fox News show now...


1,856 posted on 05/16/2006 4:01:29 PM PDT by abb (If it Ain't Posted on FreeRepublic, it Ain't News)
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To: maggief

Good God
Her Mama is has no clue...


1,857 posted on 05/16/2006 4:02:08 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Peach

Well we know he passed. What we don't know are the questions--such as did ANY sexual assault take place?

Now that would be a good one.


1,858 posted on 05/16/2006 4:02:47 PM PDT by sissyjane (Don't be stuck on stupid!)
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To: maggief; Howlin

Howlin, you have a homework assignment!


1,859 posted on 05/16/2006 4:04:24 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: sissyjane

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4178568


1,860 posted on 05/16/2006 4:05:36 PM PDT by abb (If it Ain't Posted on FreeRepublic, it Ain't News)
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