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Case Aganst Duke Student Unraveling Fast
ABC GMA | Chris Cummo

Posted on 04/19/2006 4:37:00 AM PDT by MindBender26

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Mr. Seligmann and Mr. Finnerty were apparently suspended from Duke on Tuesday, two weeks before final exams. Larry Moneta, vice president for student affairs, issued a statement saying that the university issues interim suspensions when students are charged with felonies but that he could not discuss the case further because of a student privacy law.



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361 posted on 04/19/2006 8:47:48 AM PDT by maggief ( ... and YOU know what I'm talkin' about.)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

Also Seligmann made two calls from his cell phone to his girlfriend I guess while waiting for the cab, or while in the house right before leaving. I am sure cell records will show on both their phones.


362 posted on 04/19/2006 8:47:56 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: XJarhead

Seligman should look at the bright side: No-one remembers who Ray Buckey is.


363 posted on 04/19/2006 8:48:08 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: Law is not justice but process
Didn't see the prosecutor part. My fault.

My older brother who was in private practice before becoming a judge once told me that a senior partner in his firm once told him that even when you're taking a dump you're thinking about and billing the client.

364 posted on 04/19/2006 8:49:23 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: MindBender26

DA has the smell of Ronnie Earl in Texas.


365 posted on 04/19/2006 8:49:27 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com
"Case closed."

Maybe not, but "reasonable doubt" for sure. Seligmann was at the house for - at the most - nine minutes (more likely four or five) of the time frame when the thirty minute crime allegedly took place, and during that time he made two or three calls on his cell phone.
366 posted on 04/19/2006 8:49:49 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: KevinB
I'll go out on a limb here, folks - he was after cash either for the hos or for a cab ride back to the dorm; he was not planning for the next day. This is a matter of simple common sense.

His lawyer has presented a receipt from a fast-food joint to assist in showing his client was not present at the house at the time the alleged incident occured. He needed money to EAT ... for cryin' out loud here.

367 posted on 04/19/2006 8:50:02 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Calvin Locke
That's great, but the name we've been given is MaNGum, not MaGNum. And she is listed as a student at NCCU under that name.
368 posted on 04/19/2006 8:50:12 AM PDT by Carling (It's Danny, Sir)
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To: The KG9 Kid
Of course no one remembers the guy who spent two years in jail while awaiting trial for a child molesting case. Naw no one,
369 posted on 04/19/2006 8:50:26 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: maggief

Damn...how awful.

The coach gets fired, now the boys are suspended.
Yet this scank gets free college tuition from Jesse.

Niiiiice!


370 posted on 04/19/2006 8:50:57 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: Steve_Seattle
If I understand the timeline

You understand the CURRENT timeline but that will change in response to this new evidence. The accuser and the prosecution as repeatedly changed their stories to fit the newest evidence.

Unfortunately, the jury will probably only hear the latest version of the story - one that will somehow make the timeline fit.

371 posted on 04/19/2006 8:51:32 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: snarkytart
The girls were supposed to perform for two hours and earn a few hundred bucks. A nice night's work.

But when they start dancing, the guys start making nasty comments and giving the "thumbs down". The girls get mad, stop performing, and lock themselves in the bathroom.

They paint their nails for a bit, figuring they're going to use up their 2 hours, but then just decide to leave because the guys say they're not paying if the girls stopped dancing. In the process of leaving, the accuser falls down the steps, acquiring cuts/bruishes that are later misinterpreted as being evidence of a violent sexual assault.

So this girl is now laying at the bottom of the stairs, cut and bruised, with the camera on her, and without receiving the hundreds of bucks she was promised. I'm guessing she's not happy about that at all. So she figures she'll get even with those nasty boys by accusing them of rape.

372 posted on 04/19/2006 8:53:09 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: snarkytart
NBC is saying that the defense is saying that Finnerty wasn't at the party. No alibi given. Pictures taken at the party identify a large number of lax players, none of the pictures include Finnerty.
It will be interesting to see if another shoe drops on the prosecution because Finnerty had to be somewhere if he wasn't at the party. The defense seems to be doling out its evidence in a drip, drip fashion, controlling the spin cycle. Normally this would be somewhat disreputable but the idiot Nifong started it. BTW NBC showed an an hilarious video of Nifong physically demonstrating how the AV could have lost her fingernials in her struggle with the "assailants" without leaving any DNA--his demonstration showed that the assailant could have done this if he was wearing long sleeves. NBC then pointed out the problem is the pictures show Segilman wearing a short sleeve shirt.
373 posted on 04/19/2006 8:53:30 AM PDT by don'tbedenied ( D)
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To: JeffAtlanta

I agree...I think these guys are sunk. Unless, someone highter up steps in, like a judge.


374 posted on 04/19/2006 8:53:32 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: XJarhead

The argument of stigma is the basis of rape shield laws. The legislature decided, in their wisdom, that the advantage of gaining information through publicly disclosing the accuser's name was outweighed by the burden to the accuser of the stigma of being identified as a potential victim of rape. I believe that fairness demands the accused be given the same opportunity to avoid the stigma of being accused of rape until he is convicted. Whether that shield idea is a good policy is another debate. I will leave the latter debate to the legislators.


375 posted on 04/19/2006 8:54:03 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: ladyjane
Seligman called his girlfriend twice around midnight. That says to me he went to the party to be 'one of the guys' and maybe he went out of curiosity, but his mind was on his girlfriend. He saw what showed up at the party, got disgusted and left.

Another very likely explanation.

376 posted on 04/19/2006 8:54:43 AM PDT by RJL
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To: snarkytart

Does anyone know if the woman said any of the attckers left the bathroom during the attack? If she says that none left, she is toast, because then Seligmann's alibi becomes 100% solid. He was out of the house by 12:19, and the attack supposedly lasted until nearly 12:30.


377 posted on 04/19/2006 8:54:46 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Locomotive Breath
Something like a restaurant with a receipt and 6 witnesses?

Apparently that isn't even enough of an alibi. I have to wonder if there is any evidence in the world that could convince the prosecution, the mobs in Durham and the "experts" like Nancy Grace.

Those talking heads are saying that the alibi is good for the prosecution.

378 posted on 04/19/2006 8:55:04 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: snarkytart

"Yep, and that might be the reason they took the pics of her on the ground in the first place. "
That's what I said in a much earlier posting! Remeber there was an argument, and didn't the first 911 call have the "victim" claiming verbal abuse? I think she was probably mad, stoned, whatever, and actually may have threatened them with police action. They may well have been protecting themselves with these photos.


379 posted on 04/19/2006 8:55:04 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: relictele
"They just HAD to list the cost of the private high schools two of the suspects attended."

THe tuition at my daughter college is about 2-3 times a state school but after aid and assistance the net cost is the same.

380 posted on 04/19/2006 8:55:10 AM PDT by Raycpa
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