Microsoft, Linux and Patents

AP Lawrence ^ | 04/05/2006 | AP Lawrence?

[Golden Eagle]

I think it's very likely there are too many software patents being issued, but I don't agree with Stallman and other leftists that want them abolished completely. Control the process, don't eliminate it.

[antiRepublicrat]

but I don't agree with Stallman and other leftists that want them abolished completely

Or conservatives who don't like judges violating long-standing tradition and deciding that software and business methods are statutory over the objections of the USPTO.

[FLAMING DEATH]

The Current Golden Eagle Lie/Hypocrisy List:
(Now with 33% more immaturity!).


Here, he complains that Cedega's bad because it's not free:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?page=115#115

and then, mocks another user for suggesting that Cedega be free:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?page=134#134

then complains that Linux is bad because it is free:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1530486/posts?page=40#40

then says Solaris is good because it's free:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1490554/posts?page=21#21


Here he is, criticizing Linux because it doesn't run Windows apps (despite

the fact that it can, in some cases):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?q=1&&page=101#115

Here he is, recommending Solaris, which doesn't run Windows apps:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1490554/posts?page=21#21

...and Apple, which doesn't either:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1573697/posts?page=9#9

and copping out when challenged about Windows inability to run Linux apps:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1591595/posts?page=118#118


Here, he's criticizing others for namecalling:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1584107/posts?page=29#29

And here he is, namecalling:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1583531/posts?page=61#61


Here's where he refers to Dell "systems":

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585665/posts?page=35#35

Then denies his own copied-and-pasted quote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585665/posts?page=137#137

then blames me for it all, saying I should have reminded him of his own

words: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1585665/posts?page=165#165


Then, here's where he makes more false accusations of ME:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=90#90

and here's where I ask him to prove I said the things he accused me of:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=92#92

Here's where he doesn't provide any proof:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=95#95

And fails again to prove what he says:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=99#99

And yet again, repeating the accusations, but failing to provide proof:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?page=122#122

And now, where his "proof" of what I said is something I didn't even post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=125#125

and where he has the nerve to ask another poster to back up what they say

with specific examples, despite the fact that he refused to do so for me:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=255#255

and here is where he demands that yet someone ELSE provide a link to prove

what THEY said:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1568848/posts?page=68#68

and here is where he claims he will admit mistakes, despite the fact that he

hasn't admitted this one:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592494/posts?page=43#43


Here he is claiming that Red Hat has a couple of hundred Linux kernel

developers: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1527263/posts?page=49#49

And here he is claiming no one knows how many kernel developers work for Red

Hat: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1527263/posts?page=77#77

and here, he denies that he said hundreds, yet again (21st paragraph):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=131#131

And here he is getting nailed for it yet again:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=132#132

and again:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=137#137

and claiming that I never proved that he was wrong about the number of kernel

developers at Red Hat, despite the fact that he said "literally hundreds"

himself, but later retracted it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=134#134



Here's where he hijacked the Open Source Ping List, and the ensuing

discussion: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1571222/posts?page=8#8


Here he is ridiculing another poster for using bold fonts to make a point:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1493462/posts?page=130#130

And here he is using bold fonts to make a point:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=106#106


Here he is defending Microsoft's contributions to Planned Parenthood:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1492595/posts?page=22#22

And here he is defending Planned Parenthood itself:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1601565/posts?page=35#33

and again: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1601565/posts?page=40#40


Here is a Linux thread with only one post by GE (notice how pleasant and

peaceful): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1500664/posts?q=1&&page=1

Here is a Linux thread where GE stayed and trolled (well beyond 280 posts,

totally off the topic. No insults before he showed up, as with many of his

threads. He has stated multiple times that he was leaving, yet he keeps

posting, because he's a last word freak):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1592292/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Here's where GE says Stallman is a whacko leftist:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1601565/posts?page=24#24

Here's where I agree:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1601565/posts?page=30#30

And here's where he disagrees that I agree:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1601565/posts?page=30#31

And here's where he claimed I defended Stallman (I didn't) and fails to

provide a link to back up his accusations:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1607069/posts?page=96#96


Here he is saying that he's leaving the thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=127#127

and here he is, many days and over 100 posts later, still posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?q=1&&page=281#284


Here's where he tries to say that Richard Stallman is opposed to all patents:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1592292/posts?page=266#261

Here's where he amends his statement to say "software patents":

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1609606/posts?page=22#22


Here's where Jim Robinson tells about creating the Freerepublic Forums in

'97: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1011545/posts

And here's where GE, a man on the cutting edge of technology, claims he

managed to get a membership at FR two years before the forums existed:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/950193/posts?page=285#285

[FLAMING DEATH]

"I think it's very likely there are too many software patents being issued"

You don't believe that. You're on here far too much calling for tighter restrictions on software and harping about IP rights. Hypocrite.

[Golden Eagle]

They're both opening fine on my phone and a computer I just tried, sounds like you've covered your eyes along with your ears.

[Constantine XIII]

Hitler couldn't win a two front war. Can Microsoft? :)

[Golden Eagle]

In his normal rabid defense of leftists whenever I point them out, the flamer just posted his links of what he claims are my lies, when most of them are simply more of his own. Check here to see them debunked and more of his fanaticism in action:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1607069/posts

[antiRepublicrat]

sounds like you've covered your eyes along with your ears.

Stop with the unwarranted childish digs. While I can't get to the story, I believe you are talking about the recent settlement with Sky Technologies. First, that was a business method type patent, and I don't agree with those (as the USPTO didn't before it was forced to). Second, the idea didn't help anybody originally because the plaintiff's company couldn't even make a profit off of it -- they were your standard dotcom bust company looking for a white knight in IBM.

The only valid point I can see in the case is in contracts, if IBM negotiated in bad faith in order to learn something to benefit itself. That bit is entirely possible.

[FLAMING DEATH]

Oh yeah. I remember that thread. That's the one where I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that you were making up opinions and attributing them to Zeugma (right after I did this, you made fun of my screen name and left the thread and came here).

That's also the thread where I challenged you about a zillion times to provide proof of the things you say about me, and you never did.

And the thread where Dominic Harr said, "That's not what I see. You've not 'won' this thread, in fact seem to be getting pushed around pretty good.

I've followed these threads since before your 'GE' screen name was created, as you know. And I know more than a bit about it's heredity, if you get my meaning.

This is one of your worst defeats yet, I think. "

And the thread where N3WBI3 asked you to provide a link to where I defended Stallman in a post and you didn't....

and the thread where your "proof" of my position on an issue was one of YOUR own posts...

Yeah, heck. Show it to everyone. You were especially hilarious on that thread.

[Golden Eagle]

I remember that thread. That's the one where I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that you were making up opinions and attributing them to Zeugma

Of course you're wrong, like always, since actually, he comes on the thread and agress with my technical opinion - that even linux needs to be reloaded when it's compromised - and claims that he was only joking when he indicated it was a Microsoft specific problem. I simply don't believe him, nor you, obviously with good reason.

[N3WBI3]

AR,

My problem is they are stripping out allot of the stuff that was going to make longview (longhorn/vista) a 'next generation' OS. Its all well and good that they are delivering this nearly four years late if they took that time to fix the features they initially set out to put in but right now Im expecting XPSP3..

[JeffAtlanta]

I think it's very likely there are too many software patents being issued, but I don't agree with Stallman and other leftists that want them abolished completely.

Why do you think software patents are even needed? Its seems like current copyright law should be sufficient.

I certainly agree with the notion of patents for certain physical processes or items, but patenting something like "showing TV listings in a grid format" is just silly.

Also, the concept of patent holding companies that just patent every idea in sight in the hope without any desire of developing it is just obscene.

I would certainly have no problem with the US getting together with Europe, Canada and SE Asia and work out a patent reformation.

[N3WBI3]

lockstep with Stallman.

He also breaths air, drinks water, and stays on a rock going around the sun in lock step with stallman and, btw, you...

[antiRepublicrat]

but right now Im expecting XPSP3..

It's this late in part because of SP2. SP2 was first supposed to be the standard collection of bug fixes, but MS decided a security overhaul was necessary, and that took programming resources from the Longhorn project.

[N3WBI3]

It's this late in part because of SP2.

In part, and as I said if it was just late and not stripped down to a glorified version of XP. the problme is how long have they been working on this and *still* strip out a good deal of the stuff that made it worth waiting for..

[DemosCrash]

How many patents does Open Invention Network control? Does anybody know? Does anybody really care?

[DemosCrash]

What are you, some kind of Golden Eagle stalker? Geezus... what a whackjob...

[DemosCrash]

You don't think that patents in general and software patents in particular are out of control?

Only people that don't control patents think it's "out of control".

[Tribune7]

Isn't that the Dan Rather school of journalism?

Don't cut Rather slack. Rather did not spread a rumor. He told a lie. He bore false witness. He said he had verified evidence of wrong doing. He didn't.

[zeugma]

What are you, some kind of Golden Eagle stalker? Geezus... what a whackjob...

I think he's just sick and tired of GE lowering the quality of every thread she posts to.

I'd advise you check out the difference between the tech threads here between mid January and mid February. You'll notice that in GE's absense, they didn't immediately decend into a flame fest. This was right during the time when there were some major zero-day exploits for MS-Windows, so it wasn't for lack of explosive topics.

Frankly, I'd like to see GE banned from this site, as would many others that have posted to me privately when I've previously commented on it. She's a troll and contributes nothing to the site.