Posted on 02/15/2006 6:06:44 AM PST by Halfmanhalfamazing
Survey: Research has found that administrators are more productive when working with Linux servers rather than those running Windows, but not everyone agrees with the results
(Excerpt) Read more at news.zdnet.co.uk ...
Keep in mind that uptime is not just a measure of how often it crashes but how often you have to restart it due to resource contention or general maintenance patches..
And I don't have anything against Bill Gates.
Every shop I've ever worked in that has separate Windows and *nix teams has double or triple the ratio in the Windows environments. Windows servers run 90:1 - 120:1, while the *nix boxes run 25:1 - 40:1.
That says more about the quality of the software than the host OS.
If that is true I would look at the complexity of the applications being served: Windows servers tend to be glorified desktops acting as a fileserver or maybe just a webserver. Hell out of the 50 some odd production Windows boxes we run about 10-20% of them Are domain controllers!! What a waste!
We have probably 6:50 Windows and 2:25 Unix with two who float between the both as needed. If we had to pick a box to lose and never returned I could guarantee you I could list 30 Windows boxes before I got to one Unix box..
Incorrect. Typical shops I've worked in run the gamut from simple web and file/print servers to active/active clusters. The same roles as the *nix servers.
Uptime leans the *nix way, except for Linux which runs about the same as Windows. Why? Because business units buy Windows and Linux because they're cheap and don't need high availability. They can be built to keep the app up forever but don't want the expense.
Any study that doesn't take that into account is crap.
what happened 100 days ago?
A major critical patch that required a reboot. Most patches we apply don't, but every once in a while, it's necessary.
Says who? Some foreign rag quoting the Linux lab itself? Gimme a break!
Linux is a major pain to install and especially update. I saw a Red Hat system - supposedly the best - take six hours to complete up2date. It sat there for three of them saying "searching for headers to resolve dependencies" or some other nonsense.
pain to update?
pclinuxos you hit update and 10 minutes later from a fresh install it's done.
the wife's XP got a fresh install and days later it finally caught up and had everything updated.
piss poor arguement again tarnished buzzard.
one distro with a slow package does not mean linux is a pain to update
It has always seemed odd to me that people who can't manage a system consider themselves qualified to advise others.
I manage Server 2000, Server 2003 and until last week, an NT4.0 box.
None of these required rebooting except for hardware maintenance. I'm talking about up times of six months or more, most of it without any intervention at all.
People who are having problems should not be handing out advice.
You gotta understand--He knows nothing about Linux, doesn't use it, and has an irrational hatred of it. He just throws things out here and hopes something will stick.
I've been a Unix Administrator for about fifteen years.
20 percent of your Windows servers are DC's? What numskull set that up? We get by with 1 percent or less, and those boxes serve DNS as well.
I'm not talking about people who are competent. I'm referring to people who admit being incapable of keeping a system running reliably, but who have advice for others.
Ah.
Looking back at zeugma's graph made me think of my record uptime.
I had one box way back that was just a departmental email server. Sendmail and pop3 was all it did. (Also /var/mail NFS export to certain *select* workstations.)
It had an uptime count of just over five years when it was shut down for replacement.
Pretty cool.
Definitely a pain to update if you don't have some sort of depedency checker, and not all of them do. This Red Hat box I saw hadn't been updated in a couple of months (offline), but it did take about six hours to get everything and install. That's ridiculous for 2 months worth of patches.
Hogwash, I've used it many times and know plenty enough to call BS like we see here all the time.
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