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Posted on 10/04/2005 9:56:41 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog

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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Sometimes it is really hard to paint a picture with words (for me anyway) She's breathing ok. You can just tell when their step is off and they act tired. I used to worry a lot but what can you do? If it's a cold it will clear. If it's strangles, I have to treat it. It's just something I have to put up with for now. I was just mostly sharing. I'm more upset than worried. I know there will probably be some "thank the Lord" going up but I was supposed to breed her next week and that is now shot to hell. I have a plan and I intend to be out of there in 18 months and I figured the thought of paying for another boarder would be a good incentive to keep me on track:')
6,161 posted on 01/21/2006 11:27:51 AM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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To: HairOfTheDog; CindyDawg
I just found this:

Strangles is a disease caused by the bacteria streptococcus equi. The name comes from the fact that it enlarges the lymph nodes between the jawbone, causing the horse to make strangled breathing sounds.

The disease begins with high fever, depression and lack of appetite. There is also a thin, watery nasal discharge that quickly turns thick and yellow.

What's happening to your horse? The lymph nodes in the upper respiratory tract become enlarged, the ones between the jawbones being the most noticeable; they can abscess.

Doesn't sound like what you have described since she doesn't have a fever. If she has anything it's probably just a cold. I'd go back and ride her tonight.

Becky

6,162 posted on 01/21/2006 11:31:22 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Never under estimate the power of stupid people in a large group:)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

The swelling is on the right side of her inner jaw bone towards the back. Throat latch area as Hair mentioned. I don't think a picture would show anything because it's more feel. The same area on the left is tender. I noticed it because I was trying to figure out where her pulse was and I couldn't get it on the left and went to try on the right.


6,163 posted on 01/21/2006 11:32:10 AM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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To: CindyDawg

Oh.

Well, if it's just a cold, you can still breed her. That is not going to affect anything. Do you know that she will be in season next week?

Becky


6,164 posted on 01/21/2006 11:33:41 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Never under estimate the power of stupid people in a large group:)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

It'd be a December foal, unless she runs long.


6,165 posted on 01/21/2006 11:37:46 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
I've seen it 1st hand. Okie got very sick very fast. Sarah Lee built up to it. It starts out as a runny nose and gets thicker and changes to green. As they heal the stuff that has been sitting in there gets a dark brownish/red color. The breathing is the funny thing. They both started with a runny nose, ok appetite and no fever. 24 hours later I thought he was gonner. It took her days to get to the real ill stage and took longer to recover.
Anyway, as you say, probably just a cold. It's raining so riding tomorrow if she's doing ok.
6,166 posted on 01/21/2006 11:38:57 AM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Next week as in Feb. I'm was counting this one as already here.


6,167 posted on 01/21/2006 11:42:00 AM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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To: CindyDawg
I know there will probably be some "thank the Lord" going up but I was supposed to breed her next week and that is now shot to hell.

Now that's not fair! I resent that.

Does kinda seem like it's out of the blue, you haven't been talking about it recently or why you want a foal when last week you were talking about having too many! :~D To sell? Just for the experience of doing it? What kind of stallion?

6,168 posted on 01/21/2006 11:42:21 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Well even with a cold, I don't want to be messed with:') I'll wait til she's over it.


6,169 posted on 01/21/2006 11:43:26 AM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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I'm sure you have thought long and hard about breeding. But I have to say this, and it's coming from the voice of experience. It's a big mistake. On several levels, actually. One the expense. Two, I have learned it takes alot more knowledge then I have to raise one right. Three. Yeah their cute, but they are just like pups, they grow up, you can buy one already grown and broke cheaper then you can raise one.

I could go on and on, but I won't:). It just bothers me to see average horse owners breed average horses. It should be left to pros. That's what I've learned, that's why I'm not breeding Rocky and Belle anymore. JMO:)

I wish you luck.

Becky


6,170 posted on 01/21/2006 11:45:19 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Never under estimate the power of stupid people in a large group:)
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To: CindyDawg

LOL, well yeah, but then I always look at it, they are horses. If she was in the wild do you think a stud would care if she had a snotty nose:).

Once again, and this is from the voice of experience too and something I've learned, you can't attribute human reaction to horses. They are differnt. And it's not like when they do it it takes forever, it's about a 1 minute event. She'd have to be near death for that to be a problem:)

Becky


6,171 posted on 01/21/2006 11:49:15 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Never under estimate the power of stupid people in a large group:)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Sorry. I was just trying to change the subject about Sarah Lee being ill and that I might be overreacting. It's something I don't need to be doing but one of those going to anyway things. I was going to tell yall (which I am now) beforehand to see if you want pictures. He's a neighbor that looks just like Okie. When she's ready , he'll be ready. I want a filly, born here if we can get past all this respiratory stuff so I have backup if I need it. I have to be out before she's 6 months though. That way once again, I'm around trainers if I have questions. Why? Just because I want to I guess.
6,172 posted on 01/21/2006 11:52:49 AM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
A minute. That's a problem. My camera has delayed flash:')

. I hear you . I have been planning this for over a year though so it's not out of the blue. I plan to be self employeed from home in < 18 months and have my own place so that not only can I give the two I have (Okie staying) the time I want but this one too. I could wait but the thing about waiting until everything is right often means it doesn't happen. I've always had to make things happen and adjust as I go along.

6,173 posted on 01/21/2006 11:59:18 AM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Yeah, I know. I just don't want to take a sickly horse around someone elses horse. I think the blood work an excellent idea. I've read that miscarriages are common with horses anyway and if putting her on vitamins would give her an edge I can wait another month. I'm going to ask the vet Monday.


6,174 posted on 01/21/2006 12:13:13 PM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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I guess I understand wanting to, it's fun to see a baby born and grow up, but I'd have to actually want to own the foal to want to breed one, so that makes me wait till we have room and a reason to take a horse out of use for a year. I'm not in the horse selling business. I do want to breed one someday so ecurbh and I can share that, but not now... not till we have more room for extra horses.

We certainly have a lot of people on the thread that breed horses regularly and we don't give them a raft of crap about why... but they're experienced and made a business or at least serious hobby of it, and they're breeding horses that they believe will be an asset to their breed. SL doesn't have papers so if you breed her to a paint, the foal's resale value will never be very high.

OK - so not everyone has to be in it for the money or the betterment of the breed, and not everyone cares about papers. You just want to have a baby to play with. Again, I can understand this, but it seems to me to be a diversion from doing the things you should want to do as a horse owner. You still haven't been riding much if at all and I think still have trouble with confidence and comfort in the saddle. You haven't been on any trail rides yet, and I think it's too bad for your horsemanship development that you don't want to focus on the riding part of being a horse owner and leave the breeding and training to others, for now, until you have the experience to really know whether a horse is breeding stock and what you want for the foal. IMHO, horsemanship has an element of culture to it, and there's a right way and a right order to do things. When people buck that right way, it doesn't sit well with me.

So there's what I think, not that you asked. :~D


6,175 posted on 01/21/2006 12:22:48 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I always value your (and Becky and the other experienced horse people) advice here. What can I say though? I buck sometimes. Some people just have to do things the hard way for some reason. I gave up trying to figure me out a long time ago.

Nothing happening until March now though. I want to make darn sure she doesn't have strangles again and time will tell.

6,176 posted on 01/21/2006 12:39:32 PM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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To: CindyDawg

Thanks for taking what I said in the right way.... I'm just tryin' to say what I think is right.


6,177 posted on 01/21/2006 12:43:12 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

I know that :')


6,178 posted on 01/21/2006 12:58:18 PM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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To: CindyDawg; HairOfTheDog; FrogInABlender
Finally found a pic of the old house. I have several more but not located them yet.



6,179 posted on 01/21/2006 1:22:37 PM PST by Inge_CAV
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What potential. It's completely gone?


6,180 posted on 01/21/2006 1:24:39 PM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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