[Alberta's Child]

Elway was 0-3 in those first three Super Bowls -- including two games in which the Broncos set records for Super Bowl futility on the losing ends of lopsided games (42-10 to Washington in 1987, and 55-10 to San Francisco in 1989). In those three games he completed 46 out of 101 passes (45.5%), with 2 TDs and 6 interceptions.

Now if Elway had retired after the 1996 season instead of playing for two more years, these would have been his career Super Bowl passing statistics. Do you mean to tell me that if he had retired after 15 seasons you would look at his achievements and leave him off your list of all-time great QBs simply because of his Super Bowl numbers?

[kabar]

Elway was 0-3 in those first three Super Bowls -- including two games in which the Broncos set records for Super Bowl futility on the losing ends of lopsided games (42-10 to Washington in 1987, and 55-10 to San Francisco in 1989). In those three games he completed 46 out of 101 passes (45.5%), with 2 TDs and 6 interceptions.

Elway took mediocre teams to the Super Bowl those first three times. I don't think the Broncos were favored in any of those games. The fact that they lost doesn't diminish Elway's accomplishments.

Now if Elway had retired after the 1996 season instead of playing for two more years, these would have been his career Super Bowl passing statistics. Do you mean to tell me that if he had retired after 15 seasons you would look at his achievements and leave him off your list of all-time great QBs simply because of his Super Bowl numbers?

Absolutely not. The fact that he went to 5 Super Bowls instead of 3 just raised him from three or four to number one. Jim Kelly and Fran Tarkington went to four Super Bowls and never won. They are still great QBs who belong in the top ten.

I just think Marino is overrated. He was in a pass oriented offense and amassed fantastic numbers. However, football is a team game. Peyton Manning is the next Dan Marino. He will break all of Marino's records and never win a Superbowl.