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To: Alberta's Child
I am an old Giant fan as well. I grew up with Gifford, Rote, Webster, Robustelli, Livingston, Wietecha, Rosie Brown, Connerly, Huff, Tittle, Tunnell, Patton, Summerall, Katcavage, Landry, etc. with Chris Schenkel doing the play by play.

but he was not really a linebacker in the true sense of the position at all -- he was basically a fast, undersized defensive end.

See my post #264. He was a linebacker who changed the way the position was played. He was the prototype of today's linebackers. He broke the mold. Great players do that. Magic Johnson was a 6'9'' point guard cum small forward. He even played center in the playoffs when Karim went down.

275 posted on 09/14/2005 5:01:45 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
It's true that Taylor revolutionized his position, but that doesn't by definition make him an all-time great. Magic Johnson also revolutionized his position (in a sense that big men were never point guards before him), but he's an all-time NBA great primarily because he was one of the greatest point guards of all time.

Taylor's main asset was his incredible athleticism and intense energy on the field. But I honestly think he was a better player in his first three years in the NFL (when the Giants were a pretty bad team most of the time) than at any time after that. In his early years he was a very complete player -- a linebacker who could rush the quarterback, stuff the run, and chase receivers all over the field. The NFL had probably never seen a linebacker like that before.

During his "best" years (from the standpoint of public accolades and media coverage) in the mid-1980s he was still a great athlete and didn't lose any of that intensity, but he became very one-dimensional at his outside linebacker spot. The Giants played a 3-4 defense in those days, and as the weak side OLB Taylor was used almost exclusively as a pass rusher. He wasn't the same complete linebacker he had been earlier in his career, and I've wondered if his highly-publicized drug problems and reputation for avoiding any kind of off-season workout regimen were a major factor.

He still put up great numbers, and even won the league's MVP award in the Giants' 1986 Super Bowl season. But it's no coincidence that he flourished at a time when right defensive end Leonard Marshall molded himself into a Pro Bowler and became a major pass-rushing threat in his own right.

If you can get your hands on any highlight films from that era (or better yet full game tapes), go back and watch the Giants from the 1985 playoffs through the 1986 season and Super Bowl XXI. Despite winning the MVP award in 1986, LT wasn't even the best linebacker on the Giants that year.

317 posted on 09/14/2005 7:11:56 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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