[SunkenCiv]

Kris Holland, Mafic Studios, Inc.

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[SunkenCiv]

same guy, five years ago:

Plans to harness jet stream for power
Thursday, 21 September 2000
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/enviro/EnviroRepublish_182107.htm

[FormerACLUmember]

whoa!

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Flying_20wind_20generators

"According to [bing]'s link, thousands of the devices would fly 4.5km in the air. That means that to eliminate the chances of air collision, aircraft (including other flying generators) must stay further than 4.5km away. Assuming each full-sized unit would have a peak capacity of half a kW and operated at 85% load factor (Prof Mills: "flies six days out of seven") and occupied a hexagonal exclusion zone of 4.5km side-side, then the energy density of the power station = 500W / 4.5km 3¥sqrt(3)/2 = only 42 Watts per square km!!" -- FloridaManatee, May 27 2004

[ClearCase_guy]

Winds of up to 200 miles an hour will spin rotors on the FEGs, generating an electrical current that’s transmitted along superstrong tethers to ground stations linked to the utility grid.

Problem #1 -- making super-strong tethers.

"You might have 600 of them, each producing 20 megawatts," he says. "They could generate enough power for two Chicago-size cities."

Or you could have 300 of them and power one Chicago-sized city. Just a thought.

[biblewonk]

Standard windmills work just fine, this is a silly idea.

[tfecw]

Kind of a neat idea. They need to work on compacting the farm down. 200 square miles is a lot of space for enough energy to handle Chicago * 2.

[stuartcr]

If you put them far enough from major cities, so they don't interfere with anything, then you have to transport the electricity a good distance. Who would want to winch them in, when a storm comes?

[SunkenCiv]

We could obviate the need for these pie in the sky ideas if the power grid were more efficient. That would also enable us to sell power to tranoceanic markets using high temperature superconducting trunklines on the ocean floor. That would also work our way, so that Europe could sell their off-peak capacity to east coast markets during peak usage there, just as (earlier in the day) the US sold off-peak capacity to Europe's peak usage time. Currently (heh) the superconducting trunkline projects in the US have been confined to urban areas (such as Detroit, if you can believe it) because of the need for refrigeration.

high temperature superconductor:

Google

See also hyperconductor and MetGlas.com.

[Yo-Yo]

From watching The Weather Channel I notice that the jet stream wanders all over the place. How would you know from day to day what state to put the kites in?

[SunkenCiv]

Blowing Out to Sea
by Wendy Williams
March 2002
Scientific American

A Yarmouth, Mass., company plans to build America's first offshore wind farm by the end of 2005. Cape Wind Associates has slated construction of a 420-megawatt wind project on a shallow sandbar known as Horseshoe Shoal, located five miles south of Cape Cod between the islands of Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard. It would be the world's second largest, after Ireland's recently proposed 520-megawatt farm... Project developers claim that at peak operation the farm will satisfy almost all the electricity needs of Cape residents -- a critical selling point in a region that suffers increasingly from air inversions and smog... If successful, offshore wind farms could solve many problems encountered with land-based wind technology in densely populated regions. Ocean winds are stronger and steadier. Land acquisition is unnecessary. And, perhaps most important, the huge turbines are out of sight and earshot of most people. Initially fishermen worried about their catch volume decreasing, but several European studies suggest that the heavily anchored turbines act like shipwrecks and in fact improve fish numbers... Cape Wind, having already invested several million dollars in planning studies, expects to spend a total of $600 million.

When power lines get damaged in a storm, it may take up to a couple of weeks to get fixed (depending on how many were damaged; usually it's done within hours or a day or so). Should a hurricane tip over a $150 million, 260 ft tall wind generator, on the other hand...

[SunkenCiv]

UC Berkeley-led research finds way to use dirty silicon,
could pave way for cheaper solar energy
Nanotechnology Now | August 14, 2005
Posted on 08/15/2005 9:14:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1464123/posts

[SunkenCiv]

at least research money for the following boondoggle could eventually yield strong tethers for jet stream windmills. :')

Elevator Into Space ^
	Posted by nuke rocketeer On News/Activism ^ 02/21/2005 4:38:48 AM PST · 67 replies · 1,113+ views Space.com ^ Bradley C. Edwards, president and founder of Carbon Designs Inc., is the driving force behind the space elevator, a purportedly safer and cheaper form of transporting explorers and payloads into space. Although the idea has appeared in both technical and fictional literature for decades, the drive to bring it to reality belongs to Edwards. A cable extending from the Earth’s surface to outer space is kept under tension by the competing forces of gravity on Earth and the outward rotational acceleration of the planet in space. Once the cable is aloft, the elevator will be ascended by mechanical means.
Space Elevator Climbs at MIT ^
	Posted by Brett66 On News/Activism ^ 11/17/2004 8:02:57 PM PST · 89 replies · 1,379+ views Space.com ^ | 11/17/04 | Leonard David Space Elevator Climbs at MIT It was one small climb for the space elevator last week at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in Cambridge. From high atop the roof of MIT’s Cecil and Ida Green Building, a tether was lowered to the ground as curious onlookers watched the display in suspended belief under snowy conditions. A scale model of a robot lifter successfully made its way up the lengthy ribbon, under the watchful eye of Michael Laine, president and founder of LiftPort Incorporated. Based in Bremerton, Washington, LiftPort is a for-profit company devoted to the commercial development of an...
Space elevator effort starting on ground floor  ^
	Posted by KevinDavis On News/Activism ^ 10/12/2004 7:16:20 PM PDT · 109 replies · 1,396+ views MSNBC ^ | 10/11/04 | Alan Boyle SEATTLE - If the space elevator dream comes true, robo-cars powered by laser light will roll on a carbon-nanotube ribbon stretching up tens of thousands of miles from Earth's surface, carrying cargo and passengers on a monorail to the sky.

[alwaysconservative]

Not to be a wet blanket or anything, but didn't we just recently help extricate a Russian sub that got caught in a fishing net? Does anyone else think the same thing could happen with these "tethers" and airborne vehicles and creatures? And I must be missing something: what's so bad about standard windmills, which certainly take a LOT less space?

[Fierce Allegiance]

Nuclear.

NUCLEAR!

[SunkenCiv]

from the Energy keyword:

• $70 a barrel?
• ACSA Announces Support for the "Hydrogen Super Highway"
• Alabama Officials Lobby Hard for Next Nuclear Power Plant
• An idea sinkable even as it is floated (Russia plans to export floating nuclear power plants)
• AP: Few differences for new nuclear plants
• Are The Days Of Cheap Oil Gone For Good?
• Are We Dancing to Harry Reid's Democratic War Room?
• Barbara Boxer organizing boycott of American oil companies
• Barnett Shale Drilling Boosts Local Economy
• Bear's yen for fries destroys Rabbit Vegetable fuel attracts fast-food predator
• Behind China's Bid for Unocal: A Costly Quest for Energy Control
• Biomass fuel advance at UW
• Black gold brings hope of return to the glory days of a century ago
• The black stuff has world order over a barrel
• Brazil plans to build seven nuclear power plants
• British creators unveil eco-car
• Build More Nuclear Power Plants, Bush Says
• Burbank: Power plant completed
• Bush administration asks 9th Circuit to junk judge's salmon order
• Bush dubs Kyoto treaty 'lousy deal' for US economy-(if we offshore more we'd be ok)
• Bush Energy Bill: Defeat the Arabs, Take Their Oil
• Bush renews call for Congress to pass his energy policy
• Bush signs $14.5 billion energy bill(anti-nuke people upset)
• Bush to Sign Massive Energy Bill Into Law
• Bush warns Congress that gasoline buyers fed up
• CA: Confirmation fight looms over energy lobbyist as state air regulator
• CA: Governor urges Californians to reduce energy use during summer
• CA: Panel (Little Hoover Commission) Urges Rejection of Energy Plan
• CA: Plan for more coal energy in Nevada runs into Calif. opposition (including Gubinor 'GanGReen')
• CA: Power Outrage - Arnold's energy plan could short the public
• CA: Senate passes Schwarzenegger's 'million solar roofs' plan
• CA: Supreme Court orders re-regulation measure back on November ballot
• California family giving long-term test drive to hydrogen car
• CALPINE SELLS REMAINING OIL, GAS ASSETS FOR 1 BILLION
• CALPINE UNIT LAUNCHES TENDER FOR CERTAIN NOTES (DEBT BUYBACK)
• CALPINE'S 79.9-MEGAWATT BETHPAGE 3 POWER PLANT ENTERS OPERATION
• CALPINE, GE TO BUILD 800 MEGAWATT POWER PLANT
• Can hybrids save US from foreign oil?
• Carr: we could go nuclear on power
• Chavez says Venezuela interested in nuclear energy
• Cheap Hydrogen using Nanotechnology? NanoLogix Files Hydrogen Production Patent Application...
• Chemist Tries to Solve World's Energy Woes
• CHINA'S BID FOR UNOCAL: The Long and Short of It
• China's Cnooc Lobs In Rival Bid To Acquire Unocal
• China's economic growth is in the fast lane, and it means higher prices at the pump for us
• China-Japan talks on disputed gas
• Chinese bid for Unocal raises concern in U.S.
• Coal's return
• Combination power-heat system created
• Congress Passes Far-Reaching Energy Bill
• Consensus on energy cooperation
• Crude oil futures shoot above $55 (again) led by heating oil
• Crude Oil Prices Climb Above $55 a Barrel
• Crude oil prices rise for sixth straight trading session
• Cultivating the Power of Nature's Call (Manure, WI)
• Daimler Unveils High-Mileage Diesel Car
• A Day in the Life of President Bush (photos): 5.25.05
• Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes
• Dispute May Hamper Passage of Energy Bill (MTBE)
• Dozens arrested at peaceful protest at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory
• Drilling For Time - Potentially rich lodes of gas and oil
• E85 (Alternative Fuel)
• E85 fuels new station [85 cents a gallon!]
• The end of the m.e.? - [the electric car of the near-future]
• Energy Asset Buyers Are Paying Top Dollar
• Energy bill negotiations pave the way for vote
• Energy bill omits ANWR drilling
• Energy Bill Wouldn't Wean U.S. Off Oil Imports, Analysts Say
• Energy boosts consumer prices
• The energy debate: A bad bill on its way...
• Energy earns spot on ballot
• Energy Officials Warn of Summer Electricity Woes (FERC comments at SF electricity conference)
• Energy ration cards for everyone planned [UK goes bonkers]
• Energy Tidings of Great Joy
• Energy, history on line at Duke plant
• Enron fallout spills on Canadian bank
• EPA Rejects Ethanol Waivers From States
• EU gives blessing to Iran pipeline
• Experiment Supports Controversial 'Fusion-In-A-Jar' Claims
• EXPERT TESTIMONY REVEALS INACCURACIES IN VALUATION REPORT PREPARED FOR MIRANT BY BLACKSTONE
• Experts see no sign of end to gasoline price increases
• Experts: Petroleum May Be Nearing a Peak
• Experts: Petroleum May Be Nearing a Peak
• Experts: Petroleum May Be Nearing a Peak
• "Exponential Enrons (not) ahead" - PUHCA ("Pooka") Hobgoblin Exorcised
• FERC wants closure to energy crisis
• FERC: Exxon project won't harm environment(liquified natural gas terminals planned for Gulf coast)
• Fish Role Eyed in Coal-Bed Methane Debate
• Florida high-speed rail board still chugging along
• Freezing gas prices
• From escalators to chicken fat, energy bill covers it all
• Fusion Experiment Disappoints
• Future energy supply rests on nuclear fusion
• Futurists look beyond, and it's not mere sci-fi
• FX Looks Left to Peak at OilFX Looks Left to Peak at Oil
• G-8 to agree on energy savings measurement
• Gas Crisis Hits Oil-Rich Indonesia
• Gas for 85 Cents a Gallon
• Gas Prices Declining Toward Memorial Day
• Gas well blowout near Lake Houston takes troublesome turn
• Gasoline prices decline a sixth straight week - inventories near six-year high
• Gasoline to hit $3 a gallon: wanna make a bet?
• GOP Successful In Moving Forward America's Agenda
• Governor's Global Warming Announcement Continues Tradition of CA Leadership (GAG Alert)
• Grass-burning power station on the way
• Green agenda for world's urban mayors
• Green Generates Green (WI)
• Greens Are the Real Energy Problem
• Gulf oil back on Senate's reserve list
• High gas prices rooted in era of refinery closings [Big Oil Collusion]
• HIGHER VALUE ORDERED FOR MIRANT
• Honda FCX: What a Gas! A Week in Suburbia With a Hydrogen Honda
• Hong Kong: 'Arctic conditions' inside malls and buses blasted(need sweaters or heaters)
• House Approves Massive Energy Bill
• House Republicans push Unocal inquiry
• Houston Peak Oil Mini Conference
• How much new U.S. oil? Not a lot
• HOW TO BREAK THE BACK OF HIGH ENERGY PRICES!
• Hurrah for high oil prices!
• Hydrogen fuel means cleaner air
• India and China eyeing east Africa's oil and gas reserves
• Indian oil minister to push for proposed Iran-India gas pipeline via Pakistan
• Indonesia Fuel Subsidy Backfires, Creates Crisis
• Iran calls for Opec members to pump less oil
• Iran has failed to provide crucial nuclear information - ElBaradei
• IRAN PLANS TO AWARD GAS PROJECT TO FRANCE
• Is There Plenty Of Oil?
• Japan Squeezes to Get the Most of Costly Fuel
• Japan's Top Court Gives OK To Reopen Monju Fast Breeder Reactor
• Judge favors power pricing (Stick it to Maine people again??)
• Jump-starting hydrogen car dream - Schwarzenegger to Seek $54 Million for Fuel Stations, Grants
• Lawmakers Near Agreement on Energy Bill
• Lawmakers Remove Roadblock to Energy Bill (but..)
• Legendary Oil Magnate Calls It, Peak Oil is Here
• LIVE Senate Thread (6-16) Energy Bill, Bolton vote, & the DSM
• Lockyer's Criminalizing of Energy Firms under California's Alice in Wonderland Antitrust Laws
• LOOKING AHEAD: OIL (By William F. Buckley Jr. )
• Los Alamos lab competitor insulted by UC's assertions
• Los Alamos Whistleblower Beaten - (horrendous)
• Market Impact [ UCOOC, Unocal, Red Alert ]
• Massive electric current tested in US
• Media Warm Up to Climate Change Myth
• MIRANT, CREDITOR'S COMMITTEE FILE $2 BILLION-PLUS LAWSUIT AGAINST SOUTHERN CO. FOR SPINOFF ACTIONS
• More traders bid oil options at US$80 a barrel
• Most economical car could circle the globe in 8 litres fuel
• Motorbike runs on hydrogen power
• New Asia-Pacific climate plan (US, China, India, S. Korea, Australia secret pact to replace Kyoto)
• New invention will slash fuel bills
• New stature for Canadian oil sands
• No Future for Resource-Wasteful Economy of China (a dangerous conflict looming?)
• Nuclear power poised for comeback
• Nuclear powered mobile phones?
• NYMEX crude surges to all-time high above $59/bbl
• NYT: Gulf Hurricanes Are Latest Kink in Oil Chain-a report from Petronius deepwater platform
• Officials OK LNG facilities in Texas, Massachusetts
• Oil: Caveat empty
• Oil crisis film ("Oil Storm"),takes market fears into US living rooms
• Oil, gas corporations bid for $40b 'Rebuild Iraq' projects
• Oil industry 'struggling to find new reserves'
• Oil majors attracted by the scent of non-conventional oil
• Oil, politics and Venezuela - Many are wondering how far Chávez will go
• Oil price close to $65 mark
• Oil Prices Climb Above $56 a Barrel As Domestic Supply Shrinks, OPEC Decision Shrugged Off
• Oil prices jump more than $2 a barrel ahead of 4th of July holiday weekend
• Oil prices surge to record $65 a barrel (Crude overunning dollar again)
• Oil quest raising tensions (China gets oil and can veto Iran sanctions in UN!)
• Oil rises near $64; gasoline hits record high
• Oil tops $67 as US demand soars
• Oil 'will hit $100 by winter' Worst-ever crisis looms, says analyst
• One energy forecast: Oil supplies grow
• Pemex May Be Turning From Gusher To Black Hole (Mexico Oil)
• Phoenix firm to build huge solar farm
• Pipeline politics give Turkey an edge: Caspian oil pipeline to Turkey's coast opens Wednesday
• The pipeline that will change the world
• Power-hungry world embraces nuclear energy
• President Discusses Energy at National Small Business Conference
• Prices Fuel a Rebellion
• Pro-nuclear energy group seeks to debunk myths of plutonium risks
• Project to make diesel fuel from coal
• Purdue Findings Support Earlier Nuclear Fusion Experiments
• Radio Address by the President to the Nation, 06-04-05
• Radio Address by the President to the Nation, 06-11-05
• Ramped-up energy bill easily passes in House
• Republicans Press Senate for Energy Bill
• Russia offers new oil deal to India (link via Iran)
• Sandia Scientists Confirm; Huge Pulsed Power Machine Enters Fusion Arena!!!
• Saudi Arabia urges West to build refineries; says 'no shortage of supply'
• The Saudi oil bombshell
• Seed Money for Green Ventures -Save The Earth!
• Sen. Lugar calls ethanol fuel's availability historic
• Senate agrees to give regulators power on liquefied natural gas facilities (FERC to have final say)
• Senate Approves Ethanol Mandate for Gasoline as Part of Energy Bill
• Senate Approves Renewable Fuels Provision
• Senate backs inventory of offshore oil, gas resources
• Senate bill raises ethanol usage
• "Senate energy bill escapes House trap" (Denver Post Editorial)
• U.S. urges allies to shun Iranian crude
• Senate Energy Bill Faces GOP Opposition
• Senate Makes Environment the Focus of Energy Bill
• Senate May Reconsider Voting on Fuel Economy Standards -Durbiin Amendment
• Senate Nearly Done With Energy Agenda (Ya'shur, yu'betcha, Uh huh!)
• Senate Overwhelmingly Passes Energy Bill
• Senate Proposes Broader Energy Tax Package
• Senate says LNG siting should be federal decision
• Senate Votes to Shut Down Laser Meant for Fusion Study
• Spencer Abraham: The Nuclear Option
• Stanford study highlights advantages of fuel cell cars
• State steps in to help Eastalco keep Frederick plant open
• Study says ethanol not worth the energy
• Study Slams Economics Of Ethanol And Biodiesel
• Study: Bats killed at wind turbine sites (Dilemma for the enviro-whackos)
• SUVs : The Death of the Dinosaurs (Vanity)
• Terminating the Economy
• Two guys at the vanguard
• U.S. Concerned By Energy Deals With Iran, Sudan
• U.S. gas price seen above $2.10 through 2006 -govt
• U.S. plans radioactive project (Plutonium) -Original
• U.S. senator, wind energy foe, owns property on Nantucket (Alexander joins w/Limousine Liberals)
• U.S. Senators Weigh Gulf of Mexico Oil Inventory
• UC Berkeley-led research finds way to use dirty silicon, could pave way for cheaper solar energy
• UC scientist says ethanol uses more energy than it makes
• United States Congressmen fight to prevent offshore oil development.
• Unocal board backs Chevron takeover bid
• Unspin: Behind the hatred of nuclear power: quasi-religious certitude
• Untapped resources beckon from jungle
• Uranium mining ready to expand
• US aims Star Trek ray guns at nuclear sites - (new technology protects against terror attacks)
• US Announces Asia-Pacific Climate Agreement
• US Energy Bill Favours New Build Reactors, New Technology
• US joins India, Australia, China, Japan, South Korea in energy pact
• US negotiators finish work on energy bill
• US Policy Options for Iran
• US, Australia, India, China and SKorea To Sign New [Secret] Climate Pact
• Using oil to spread revolution - CAFTA "a national-security vote" slows Chavista expansionism
• Utilities renew interest in nuclear power
• Utilities Show Interest in New Nuke Plants
• Wal-Mart experiments with alternative energy
• Washington Gives Way on Iran's Nuclear Bomb, Therefore Backs ElBaradei's Reappointment (agree?)
• Water to Burn
• We Are Not at the End of the Oil Age: ; New Developments Soon Will Increase the World's Supply
• We Are Not at the End of the Oil Age: ; New Developments Soon Will Increase the World's Supply
• Wilderness Site May See Oil Drilling (Mississippi Gulf)
• Windmills in the Sky
• World's First Floating Nuclear Power Plant to Be Constructed in Russia
• WSJ: $60 Oil -- What can be done about it? Not much.
• WSJ: Capitol Hill Blowout--Highways, bike paths, ethanol, "biomass"--Congress throws spending party
• WSJ: The Ethanol Party - Republicans see Tom Daschle, and raise him.
• WSJ: The Glory of France - And we don't mean food or wine.
• Zvyagilsky, Zvarych and Terekhin will reform the coal industry
• {Alaska} State expects action at Point Thomson

[RightWhale]

The jet stream moves around a lot. It's not like they can put a giant kite up there and expect it to stay put.

[Kevin OMalley]

I love bold ideas. bump

[SunkenCiv]

Scientists harness the power of pee (Urine Powered Batteries)
IOP.Org News | August 15, 2005
Posted on 08/17/2005 1:02:43 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1465319/posts

China replaces cement with waste!
Press Trust of India
Posted online: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 1305 hours IST
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=52818

Guangzhou, August 16: Chinese scientists have claimed success in developing a new cost-effective coagulated material made from solid waste, which could replace cement in the construction industry.

The coagulated material is formed by gluing solid wastes of different kinds together in accordance with the principle of Landification under natural conditions, said Professor Sun Henghu, one of the inventors of the environment-friendly building material.

The new material is better than cement in all performances, especially in some areas, such as sea dams or backfilling mines, Sun, a professor at Qinghua University, said.

The research team, with help from investors, has established three production lines of the new material, each with a yearly capacity of 900,000 tonnes, Xinhua news agency reported. The new material costs 30-50 per cent of the price of cement and consumes at least 30 per cent less energy, sun said. It could replace cement in the construction industry, a group of Chinese scientists led by Professor Ye Danian at the Chinese Academy of Sciences, concluded in a recent appraisal on the new technology.

[SunkenCiv]

Environmental group sues windmill companies for damaging environment.
Center for Biological Diversity | January 12, 2004
Posted on 11/08/2004 7:04:53 PM PST by grundle
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1274905/posts

Phoenix firm to build huge solar farm
MSNBC | Aug. 14, 2005 | Adam Kress
Posted on 08/15/2005 8:31:47 PM PDT by nickcarraway
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1464108/posts

[SunkenCiv]

Windmills may cause meteorological changes
Yahoo News | 11/16/04 | Indo-Asian News Service
Posted on 11/15/2004 7:55:15 PM PST by wagglebee
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1280864/posts

Bear Creek (PA) windmill foes cite environment, wildlife concerns
Times Leader | 2/26/2005 | JON FOX
Posted on 02/26/2005 5:14:57 AM PST by Born Conservative
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1351527/posts

U.S. senator, wind energy foe, owns property on Nantucket (Alexander joins w/Limousine Liberals)
Cape Cod Times | June 16, 2005 | KEVIN DENNEHY and ETHAN ZINDLER
Posted on 06/16/2005 1:30:01 PM PDT by DTogo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1424341/posts