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To: petro45acp
One of the reasons I don't CCW a 1911 is for this very reason: most of the folks I know who carry one for personal protection leave the hammer cocked at all times.

No one we have known, would EVER carry a weaopon with a round in the shute and have the hammer cocked. No purpose and recipe for no purpose. You may want to re-visit the discussion with your acquaintances.

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10 posted on 01/22/2006 12:27:21 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: Cobra64; rudy45

"One of the reasons I don't CCW a 1911 is for this very reason: most of the folks I know who carry one for personal protection leave the hammer cocked at all times."

Condition two (hammer down on a round,1911) is a valid carry technique, but it definitely affects speed and stability of the draw stroke. It also adds a small motor skill to the stroke which when the adrenaline is flowing can be problematic.

"No one we have known, would EVER carry a weaopon with a round in the shute and have the hammer cocked. No purpose and recipe for no purpose. You may want to re-visit the discussion with your acquaintances."

I have heard this argument before. The idea of keeping funeral money in the 6th chamber of a peacemaker and such. The Israeli technique of drawing the pistol with the hammer down on an empty chamber and including a slide rack in the draw-stroke. All these apply to older technology. In the case of revolvers, hammer blocks keep a free falling hammer from striking the primer. In semi-autos, better metalurgy (the Israeli case) and firing pin blocks provide better "safety." Forged carbon steel or MIM parts from reputable manufacturers are sound and reliable.

Carrying a 1911 in condition 1 or "cocked and locked" calls for training, good equipment, Cooper's 4 rules thoroughly ingraned, and training.

Last point on the Sig DAK, it is likely the article misstated. The pistol has an external hammer, but no hammer spur. It rests in the down position flush with the back of the slide and never locks in the rearward position. A conventional Sig does have a decock lever as it is a DA/SA design.

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11 posted on 01/22/2006 1:24:32 PM PST by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
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To: Cobra64; rudy45; A Jovial Cad; msg-84; petro45acp
I’m amazed at the conversations I have seen in this particular post.

Anyone who owns a 1911 pistol knows that they are designed to be carried “cocked and locked” that is the reason they have the types of safeties they have. Have you ever been to a marksmanship school or target training course? The INSTRUCTORS teach you to carry your 1911 COCKED AND LOCKED.

Read anybody’s articles in ANY gun magazine! YOU CARRY A 1911 COCKED AND LOCKED. PERIOD.

And for the rest of you who seem to have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to DA/SA and DAO/DAK.. try picking up a couple issues of HANDGUNS MAGAZINE OR AMERICAN HANDGUNNER and learn about your own guns since it seems you have no idea. Then maybe you can be qualified to post your input.

by the way.. DAO handguns do not have a decocker PERIOD

The gun is NEVER COCKED.. THE action of pulling the trigger on a DAO pistol COCKS, then FIRES the gun.. that is why it is called Double Action Only..

14 posted on 05/05/2007 5:05:54 PM PDT by glasslobster (- Somebody who has a clue about firearms)
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