[rudy45]

The article says that DAK is a DAO trigger pull. In that case, therefore, (because the hammer MUST (?) be down when the trigger is pressed) why have a decocker? The hammer never should be in a cocked position, right?

Or is the article wrong in specifying the decocker?

Thanks.

[rudy45]

ping

[A Jovial Cad]

First, allow me to thank you for posting this. I am a huge Sig fan, and own a P239 in .357 Sig (of course).

I can't speak to all the technical issues, but I enjoy the "decocker" function because it allow me to safely lower the hammer after racking the slide to chamber the first round. Also, the hammer on my Sig DOES NOT have to be "down" to fire; once can cock the hammer and fire, or simply pull the trigger, just like a revolver. All Sigs, as far as I know, are DAO.

The hammer never should be in a cocked position, right?

One of the reasons I don't CCW a 1911 is for this very reason: most of the folks I know who carry one for personal protection leave the hammer cocked at all times, with the main safety engaged (there is, of course a secondary grip safety), but I've never been comfortable with it. Heck, I know one fella who doesn't even engage the main safety, but counts on the grip safety alone while carrying his 1911 (this I definitely wouldn't recommend). Probably more a matter of psychology than safety, but I've just never been comfortable with single-action "cocked and locked" for routine carry.

Just my $0.02.

[A Jovial Cad]

Ah, correction from above: I meant to say the Sigs I've seen, including my own, are NOT DAO, but fire just like a revolver. The model in the article has a hidden hammer, but I haven't seen this particular model.

[cryptical]

The article says that DAK is a DAO trigger pull. In that case, therefore, (because the hammer MUST (?) be down when the trigger is pressed) why have a decocker? The hammer never should be in a cocked position, right?

I'm going to guess that they didn't change the decocker from a standard pistol, they just changed the part that modifies it from DA/SA to DAO, and the decocking lever is non-functional.

[msg-84]

I must be missing something here.

The SIG DAK (Double Action Kellerman) pistols do not have external hammers or decockers. This was a requirment for the Dept. Homeland Security contract.

The specs and evaluation process are detailed here:

http://www2.eps.gov/spg/DHS-BT/INS/COW/COW%2D4%2DR%2D0014/Attachments.html

Click on Equipment Specification (SOW). It is a big download at 9 MB.

This was a very comprehensive set of requirements; the govt had some very specific features that they wanted.

[Cobra64]

The jerk that wrote the article hasn't a clue. A Sig DAK by definition means that it does NOT have a de-cocker.

This is a Sig P229 DA/SA with de-cocker. It is the lever above the magazine release. Its purpose is to lower the hammer if cocked. The weapon can still be fired in double action mode with 11# of trigger pull. Or, if manually cocked, in single action mode. Each subsequent shot is single action with 4# of trigger pull.

This is a Sig P229 DAK. Without de-cocker. It is DAO with 6# of trigger pull.

This is my P226 with decocker. All three of my Sigs and H&Ks are DA/SA with de-cocker. Twelve pounds of trigger pull on first shot, 4# on each successive shot.

[Shooter 2.5]

I don’t see anything in the article which Dick Metcalf wrote that implies having a decocker for that particular model. I might have missed it but skimmed over the article something like four times. It’s in the sidebar so someone editing the magazine was at fault.

[Captiva]

No decocker, but a grip cutout for one (yuck)