It's Happening Again (We've Got Another Schiavo, Starving In GA, No Brain-Damage)

Media Release | 4-6-05 | The Family of Mae Magouirk

[ExPatInFrance]

Owe you an apology. I misread your statment I think it was post#232 You actually said

She was vegetative, just not brain dead.

I misread that.

Now that I cleared that up, Minimul Conscious was a medically accepted diagnosis AFTER Judge greer Ruled. Doesn't matter if anyone would have proposed it during the time frame of the Judges Ruling because at that time, it was NOT a Medically Accepted Diagnosis.

You wrote:
Then you quote someone who says:

"I have viewed the short video clips on the Terri Schiavo website. Based on those short clips there appears to be evidence that Ms. Schiavo responds to her mother and is able to distinguish her mother form other persons who interact with her."

My reply: That "Someone" happens to be EDITOR IN CHIEF OF THE JOUNAL OF AMERICAN PHYSICIANS AND SURGEONS. This is no quack someone, as are many many many of the other Medical Provider Affidavits.

Let me ask you this. If you were the Judge and YOU read the Affidavits would you have ordered more tests before you signed off on the Death Sentence? Just a simple Yes or no with an expliantion if you care to make one. But you have to take the time to read the Medical Affidavits on the www.Terrisfight.org webstie before you answer. No fair answering if you have not done the research.

[Gondring]

I think you have me mistaken for someone else, but in any case, I don't need you to lecture me on cerebral palsy. Close enough topic, thank you.

"...where insufficient blood flow to the brain is a part of the problem..."

Note that it's not saying "where an insufficient blood flow destroyed the brain tissue"... ADD, etc., isn't about destroyed brain tissue--it's about underactive brain tissue. This is like saying, "my flowers were wilting, so I gave them water" is proof that "my flowers have wilted, so water will revive them" is true...when it's not.

[mother22wife21]

I believe that Mrs. Mary Martin is a stone cold b****. She's talking about car insurance and organ harvesting. My G-d!!

Why, why,why don't these folks divorce their 'troublesome' spouse, especially since the family wishes to make sure they cared for.

And the man indicated he wanted to live!!

Thanks for such a valuable link. I just got off the phone with my mom, she's retired and said she would be happy to make some phone calls from the contact numbers we get.

I shared some of the vignettes posted on here with her and she is willing to get a couple of her friends to make calls too.

[Gondring]

You should be aware that terrisfight.org has done some censoring of the documents...you can't get them all anymore. Many of the ones that illustrate the contradictions are gone.

[ExPatInFrance]

I don't understand your reply to me.

You replied to my post #272.

Nothing in that post is innuendo, not a thing.

It is all 100% fact and part of the court record.

I am not going to take the time to dig out the court record, I woudl have to dig around a lot to find it. But trust me everything in post #272 is accurate, and none of it is innuendo.

Gray cells.....

[Netizen]

I volunteer time with the mentally challenged. I supose by the standards that some have set, these people should die, because they can't carry on meaningful conversations. Sometimes their own families have farmed them out to foster homes. Some are physically handicapped as well as mentally handicapped. Some are mistreated in their foster homes because hey, its all about money. What's the least amount that can be done while pilfering the most money from the clients.

I have taken them on picnics, to the zoo, to the museum, to carnivals, out to dinner in restaurants, to movies and out shopping. They just want to be treated like people. I've seen them say 'hello' to strangers, only to be ignored. I've also seen the largest grins and smiles on their faces over simple things like zoo animals and seeing a movie in a theater. I took them to a 3D movie and those that can be understood, talked about that for months and months.

It isn't so much that their quality of life is so poor, its that we have gotten to the point that we require so much more stimuli to be happy, than they do. For some of these people, going out for a cup of coffee makes them happy. Remembering their birthdays, elates them. It's the only day that is theirs, and they all look forward to it, no matter how old they may be.

Just because we might not want to live a life so limited, doesn't mean all people would feel that way. If all you ever knew was a severely limited life, that would be NORMAL for you.

Sorry for the ramble, but when they killed Terri, they left the door open for all handicapped people.

[mother22wife21]

bump

[lil'bit]

There are some here too: http://www.zimp.org/stuff/nav.htm

[ExPatInFrance]

Well the Medical Affidavits are still there.
Go www.TerrisFight.org, then click on Court Documents,
The way over ont he right there is a frame that holds the medical affidavits.

They are still there please have a read then come back and let us know if you as the Judge would or would not have gotten further medical testing before removal of her feeding tube.

[mother22wife21]

bookmark for action. Send to your parents, also.

[Netizen]

People have a right to life, but also a right to choose not to live.

Had Terri made out a living will that had been notarized and witnessed by two people, we wouldn't be having this conversation. BUT SHE DID NOT HAVE IT IN WRITING. Instead, the court accepts her estranged husband stating that she had said she wouldn't want to live that way. Meanwhile, Terri's friends say the opposite. At best they cancel each other out.

[ExPatInFrance]

Well I guess you feel you can make better medical judgments than the Editor and Chief of the American Journal of Physicians and Surgeons then?
Again his affidavit:
March 3, 2005
Lawrence Huntoon M.D. Neurologist clinical office Derby new York
Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons

I have viewed the short video clips on the Terri Schiavo website. Based on those short clips there appears to be evidence that Ms. Schiavo responds to her mother and is able to distinguish her mother form other persons who interact with her. There is also evidence of sustained visual pursuit, which is the clip where she is following the balloon. These behaviors indicate awareness of the environment, and this type of behavior distinguishes minimally conscious state (MCS) from persistent vegetative state (PVS)

The definition and diagnosis criteria for minimally conscious state were published in “Neurology” in February 2002.

Food and water should be offered to patients in the ordinary way in the case where artificial nutrition and hydration are being terminated. Providing food and water in the natural way, by mouth, constitutes “ordinary care” not “treatment.” Ordinary, comfort care should always be provided irrespective of instructions regarding “limitation of treatment”

[mother22wife21]

Motivation Bump

[combat_boots]

Call your senators tonight!

The Capitol operator is still answering.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1378688/posts

[mother22wife21]

Information Bump.

[beckysueb]

Isn't it just coincidental that the grandaughter has control over "Grandmama's" money and now wants her to die? The love of money is indeed the root of all evil.

[mother22wife21]

*clap* You rock!

Inspiration bump.

[ExPatInFrance]

I was totally right about you.
You are the best of the best.
And Terris Freepers are the best.

Keep posting, I'll always read your posts.

[mother22wife21]

Thanks for UPDATE!

INFO.BUMP

[mother22wife21]

info bump.