It's Happening Again (We've Got Another Schiavo, Starving In GA, No Brain-Damage)

Media Release | 4-6-05 | The Family of Mae Magouirk

[mother22wife21]

Thank you so much for posting the viatical information. I had heard of some of the practices, but the clarification of the pervasiveness was new to me. Thanks, teach.

[ExPatInFrance]

I totally AGREE with YOU. Like oh the public should not be involved it is a private family matter. Hell no! Murder is not private!!! I also hope the Public would rais Holy H E Double Hocky Sticks if it were happening to me.

[mother22wife21]

Good work! Recorded it for action on this issue. Thanks for the sleuthing. ;)

[joesbucks]

So where's the media frenzy? Where's the right wing zealots and the left wing let's put em to death zealots. Where Santorum and Delay? Where's Sean Hannity? Where's Randal Terry?

[eccentric]

Denying the rights of the disabled is far more common than most of us even thought, and we are more aware than most.

It's like Misery with Caan and Bates. Disabled people can be trapped, used, and hurt by those taking care off them. How can they get help if everyone turns away?

[DJ MacWoW]

You can't possibly think that Ronald Cranford is an honest man. Or a good doctor. He believes alzheimers patients should be euthanised as they are non persons with no rights. I don't know how to get a copy of the guys interview on Hannity and Colmes. Do you? Would Fox have it on their website?

Cranford is also a bio-ethicist. I have no respect for them. What gives a bio-ethicist the right to decide when someone should die?

[ExPatInFrance]

The key words, well there are so many fo them actually.

You read the first post as we all did. We waited while Freepers checked out the facts and various Freepers did so, and nothing they checed out so far has contradicted the post. Yeah the post is a bit hard to follow, therefore I read it 3 times to make sure I really understood it.

Instead of saying, "I had a hard time following exactly what the situation herre with Mae is..." why don't you print it out and read it until you do understand it.

Isn't it a bit intellectually lazy to not make an effort to understand it and instead say, "well I dont' get it, so I'll jsut assume it is a private family matter?"

C'mon use your gray cells!!!

And I'm not saying this in a derogatory way, but more of a request to "get busy"

[ExPatInFrance]

Netizen- YOU have about the best manners of the group!
You say things so nicely and non-confontational. I wish I could say it like you do.

[Gondring]

I would ask you to go read all the Medical Affidavits (I have read most of them) and then come back and un-equivacally state that Terri was brain dead.

Of course I won't. I never said she was "brain dead"! "Brain Dead" isn't what we're talking about..that's an irrelevant issue!

See there were a heck of a lot of freepers, myself included that actually did the research, which is why we were all so incensed.

Well, you didn't do a very good job of your research if at the end of it all you still dont' know the difference between "PVS" and "brain dead." Try less bluster and more facts.

Might I recommend
http://home.comcast.net/~trinity_tx/index.htm
and
http://www.freerepublic.com/~trinitytx/

Do you jsut throw statments out to get a reaction?

No, I write them because they are true. Please stop projecting.

Oh, and...

AFTER the Legal decision in 2002 a Brand New Medical diagnosis was created. It is called Minimully Conscious.

Yes, and the doctors who testified that Mrs. Schiavo was PVS were quite aware of the condition. In fact, Dr. Cranford has used that diagnosis in other high-profile cases, such as Robert Wendland. Dr. Cranford also made it QUITE clear that Mrs. Schiavo is NOT "minimally concious"...she's PVS.

Then you quote someone who says:

"I have viewed the short video clips on the Terri Schiavo website. Based on those short clips there appears to be evidence that Ms. Schiavo responds to her mother and is able to distinguish her mother form other persons who interact with her."

Bias is only reason I can see that you'd listen to a doctor who has not examined the patient--and who is basing his judgements on SELECTIVE clips--rather than listen to ALL THE NEUROLOGISTS who EXAMINED Mrs. Schaivo (except for the National Enquirer one).

If this doctor is TRULY knowledgeable about PVS, then he would know that smiling, crying, limited tracking, etc., are all common in PVS patients. Those who viewed the WHOLE FOUR AND A HALF HOURS OF VIDEO (Greer wasn't the only court to do so) were quite convinced that the diagnosis was correct. IF I could selectively present a few clips of a huge pile of data, wow, what things I could "prove"!!

[GretchenM]

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[Netizen]

Terri's friends said that Terri disapproved of the feeding tube being removed from Quinlan. That speaks volumes.

There was a female neurosurgeon on FNC one day and she did examine Terri and said that Terri wasn't vegetative. You could probably do a search but I doubt that you are that interested. I remember your posts now! You are the one that kep maligning Dr. William Hammesfahr, even when I refuted your claims you still kept posting that quack junk, which showed that it is you that is the quack.

Also there is a lady named Kate Adamson, that was in the same type of condition as Terri and she IMPROVED, but then again she had a loving, caring husband making sure that she had full rehab. Kate Adamson

Dr. William Hammesfahr to Present at the 4th International Symposium on Brain Injury and Cerebral Palsy, the largest meeting of specialists in pediatric brain injuries ever held

July 29, 2004 -- Dr. W. Hammesfahr, nominated for the Nobel Prize in Medicine, will be discussing the breakthrough he pioneered. Dr. Hammesfahr discovered that certain FDA approved medications may help increase blood flow to damaged areas of the brain after stroke and other injuries. Thus injuries that were thought to be permanent, even years after a patient had stopped improving, could now be treated successfully, and most patients would improve. Essentially, this means that most patients with permanent injuries from a stroke can get better, even years after their stroke. Most patients with permanent brain injuries, even years after their injury, can get better.

An internal Medicare review identified that this therapy helped patients gain significant improvement even years after the injury and years after they had stopped improving before obtaining Dr. Hammesfahr's approach. Judicial Review in November of 2003 ordered Medicare payment for Dr. Hammesfahr's approach in conditions of the brain that involved damage, injury, or abnormal function of blood vessels. The judge noted that judicial review of the method, science, and results showed significant improvement. Further, he identified that there was no "viable alternative" to obtain improvement in these patients with longstanding as well as acute injuries to the brain and blood vessels than Dr. Hammesfahr's approach.

Further work showed that it was also applicable to other diseases of the brain where insufficient blood flow to the brain is a part of the problem, diseases like Attention Deficit Disorder, Migraine, Dementia, Autism, Asperger's, and Cerebral Palsy.

In clinical reviews, 98% of patients had major, functional improvement. These reviews were evaluated by Judge Susan Kurkland, for the State of Florida, Department of Health. She described in her ruling that this new therapy is safe, unique, and that Dr. Hammesfahr is the "first physician to restore deficits caused by stroke."

Dr. Hammesfahr will be speaking at the 4th International Symposium, the largest meeting or brain specialists for pediatric brain injuries ever.

Speakers from around the world including Mexico, Russia, China, Europe, and elsewhere will be meeting to discuss new approaches including Stem Cell work, and Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy.

4th International Symposium on Cerebral Palsy and the Brain Injured Child
July 28-31, 2004
The Hyatt Regency Pier Sixty-Six
Fort Lauderdale, Florida

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727-461-4464
Clearwater, Florida

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[ExPatInFrance]

I believe that Terri's family prooved she could give love and accept love so according to your criteria she should have lived.

You appear to be evaluating "quality of life" FYI- Terri's medical bills were paid by Medicare after her medical malpractice money was all spent on lawyers in order to kill her. Yeah her Meical malpractice money didn't go for her care it went to pay her husband's lawyers to get her killed. Isn't that ironic.

[Netizen]

My understanding is that Greer is legally blind, so I'm not sure that he actually viewed the tapes and saw them CLEARLY.

[Gondring]

And there are a few who have been very cruel in their attitude toward the Schindlers. One rejoiced that Terri's parents would have no access to her grave. I asked if I had misunderstood. I didn't. Those kinds of hard words make civility difficult and differences polarizing.

Well, I do feel for them...I believe that they have truly believed they saw reactions where there were none. Talk to those who work with the profoundly injured, and you'll hear that is a common thing from hopeful relatives.

But I don't think it's an excuse for suddenly making horrid accusations against Mr. Schiavo 12 years after the collapse. I can certainly understand that Mr. Schiavo cannot trust the Schindlers. I'm not even getting into the possibility of childhood abuse...I'm talking just how they treated their daughter's husband.

As for pro-life, well, I am pro-rights. People have a right to life, but also a right to choose not to live.

[HairOfTheDog]

And you aren't too anxious to dig in?

No... I am not a doctor or a member of her family or a judge in the case, I've heard nothing but internet rumour, and I have the honesty to say I don't have near enough information to start making phone calls to people.

[ExPatInFrance]

We need information from the family!
Terri had a website that was official.
This is what is happening to Terri, it is on the website.

Ont his thread some Freepers investigated and so far this looks legit. Just need that person who actually talked with the nephew to come back here and post.

S/he jsut said I talked with the nephew, go look at this other website for the low down. But then nothing. Once this starts to gel with places we can go to fact check and verify then we can crank it up. For me I am poised and ready to act, but waiting for the validation.

[DJ MacWoW]

I can certainly understand that Mr. Schiavo cannot trust the Schindlers. I'm not even getting into the possibility of childhood abuse.

I can't believe you just said that. We'll drop it.

[HairOfTheDog]

All that is the kind of innuendo I have so far resisted getting involved in.

[HairOfTheDog]

Isn't it a bit intellectually lazy to not make an effort to understand it and instead say, "well I dont' get it, so I'll jsut assume it is a private family matter?"

Or maybe I truly believe it is a family matter. I have no interest in getting involved in this case. I'll depart the thread.

[combat_boots]

Dog, I wasn't referring to the lady. I was referring to the laws, policies and judges who are taking this road. Step 1 was loud, and not 1 week later, we're at step 2?

To my way of thinking, every American is on life support. The issue is just which category is next. It's a little like the old joke about price: "My dear, we've decided the kind of woman you are. Now we're just haggling over the price."

Get more information about this lady? OK. But let her die while we wait and see....and she may/may not continue starving for no good reason other than that she is aged? NO.