Posted on 04/07/2005 2:59:57 AM PDT by schmelvin
If it were me and someone were trying to kill me because I was an inconvenience in their life, I would hope that someone would take it public and come to my defense, especially if I were not able to express my wishes myself. Just as babies need someone to defend them against abortions from those that should love them the most, so too it seems handicapped adults need protecting, again, from those that SHOULD love them the most.
All in all it does sound like you have made up your mind, even if you don't think you have,
I don't know... I had a hard time following exactly what the situation here with Mae is... and based on my lack of information about it, I wouldn't dare say. I am pretty slow to take internet information and run with it. My main 'agenda' really is that I don't think the public should be involved in these decisions. At some point we have to trust that those near us, and Godforbid, any judge asked to hear our case, will be fair and just.
There were differing opinions from various doctors as to if she were vegetative or not. Therefore it can't be confirmed that she was.
thanks for the ping, strongly recommend everyone go to:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1371538/posts
by mercyme. Excellent research throughout thread.
Do you think the courts should accept all hearsay now, based on the Schiavo case as a precedence?
If there is a chance of saving 'me', the me that knows she is alive and has capacity to both feel and give love and life... Then by all means, I want them to pull out the stops to save me. That's what love and gallantry and devotion are all about.
But if I will never get better, if my condition will not only consume me but the lives of everyone around me and all that they've worked for, I'd surely hate to see that happen. Money is often used as just a callous matter where life is concerned. But as long as medicine and care are things that take time and money, it will be an important part of decision. To risk our life and the assets of our whole family for a cure is gallant. To have it all consumed in the care of a permanently vegetative body that used to be me.... is just sad.
But that point should not be reached as long as we have someone willing to care for us (assuming no living will to the contrary). The death cult sides with anyone saying "death" even if there are others that say "life - and we will be the caregivers."
If you don't think the public should be involved, then perhaps you are in the wrong thread and commenting on something you didn't mean to comment on? Is that possible?
Say 'death cult' to me and you end the conversation.
Point taken, I'm on the thread, but I am also mostly just talking about myself - and a bit about Terri.
Sometimes I wake up on threads and don't know how I got here ;~D
Now we don't really "know" if Terri was vegatative do we?
We have one Judge who is not a doctor who made a "legal" decision, not a medical one that Terri was in a Persistent Vegatative State. The Judge ruled it so after 3 doctors examined her. 1 doctor said now way and she can be helped. 1 doctor is totally discredited because he is a "Death Doctor" and is accurately, the quote IS accurate, as saying, "persons in Vegatatve States do not have any rights, they are non persons" He jsut goes aroudn the country, this is his main job, testifying that people are PVS. Then there is a 3rd doctor who said Yes Terri IS PVS.
Fast forward. AFTER the Legal decision in 2002 a Brand New Medical diagnosis was created. It is called Minimully Conscious. Judge Greer, would not permit a re-evaluation of Terri, even with the full knowledge that the art of medicine progressed since he ruled. A fair Judge would have ordered a re-exam because of new medical diagnosis.
33 Health care providers provided depositions that were rpesented to the Judge, he refused to consider any of them. I didn't read them all, but one that carried a whole lot of weight with me was this one Read this guys credentials-
March 3, 2005
Lawrence Huntoon M.D. Neurologist clinical office Derby new York
Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons
I have viewed the short video clips on the Terri Schiavo website. Based on those short clips there appears to be evidence that Ms. Schiavo responds to her mother and is able to distinguish her mother form other persons who interact with her. There is also evidence of sustained visual pursuit, which is the clip where she is following the balloon. These behaviors indicate awareness of the environment, and this type of behavior distinguishes minimally conscious state (MCS) from persistent vegetative state (PVS)
The definition and diagnosis criteria for minimally conscious state were published in “Neurology” in February 2002.
Food and water should be offered to patients in the ordinary way in the case where artificial nutrition and hydration are being terminated. Providing food and water in the natural way, by mouth, constitutes “ordinary care” not “treatment.” Ordinary, comfort care should always be provided irrespective of instructions regarding “limitation of treatment”
I would ask you to go read all the Medical Affidavits (I have read most of them) and then come back and un-equivacally state that Terri was brain dead. See there were a heck of a lot of freepers, myself included that actually did the research, which is why we were all so incensed. If you did not do the research the Main stream media didn't bother to inform you of the facts. The sad part is the public really had to do their own work to find the truth becasue it was not in the MSM (Main Stream Media).
Do you jsut throw statments out to get a reaction?
1) Don't try to claim that testimony was hearsay unless you understand the definition of the word.
2) Mrs. Schiavo was not a criminal, and we are to respect her right to decide her own end care unless you can prove that right should have been denied.
AMEN! Is there one specific family? Are there several meeting with whoever is in charge? Is Baby still in the hospital? I would think so with his/her jaw problem.
I don't think any mroe that Terri's case was rare. May I remind you of the topic fo this thread?
I used to think it was rare, but I don't any more.
You snooze, you lose. See, this woman is a little old lady who goes into the hospital for some heart procedure, and is not comatose, vegetative, anything. The original post made me think of all those little old ladies you used to see all over but don't so much anymore. The quote from the granddaughter was to the effect of well, with Granny's age and heart thing and all, well, tsk, who would want to live like that?
Terri's gone. Next we hear that this live case, now decided but how we're not certain, pulls the plug on the aged. OK. That covers the disabled, the aged. Any ideas who's next? And you aren't too anxious to dig in?
I'm feeling a little 'dumb as a stump' here. I went to HYSCIENCE, and couldn't find this case. Does anyone have a hint where to look on this site for the case??? I have never been there before so it probably was staring me straight in the face.
Thanks!!
Give me the name of a SINGLE neurologist who:
1) Examined her, and
2) Does not advertise in the National Enquirer...
...and who thought she was NOT in a PVS.
All of the neurologists who examined her (except the one featured on Quackwatch) confirmed she was in a PVS.
Please be sure to ping me when you have that name.
Like the bloggers that revealed the forged documents on CBS? Or the ones that dug up JFKerry's past?
I am sorry I simply can't find any information about Mae on this link you provided. I even used Find on This Page and typed in Mae. If you would be so kind as to give us a better link or at least tell us what we are to click on.
Many thanks.
If you talk to Kenneth again...get him to sign up at FR and keep us posted...he'll have lots of help here!
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