Posted on 03/25/2005 6:27:16 PM PST by steampower
The parents of Terri Schiavo/Schindler just made an impassioned appeal to Florida Governor Jeb Bush to save their dying daughter. Mrs. Schiavo was obviously tired and spoke in a restrained manner, but her husband, Robert, although looking terribly fatigued, used very strong language and placed much of the blame for his daughter's seven days of "torture" directly on Jeb Bush, blaming him for the inaction that is letting Terri be murdered by a "tyrannical" judiciary.
Mr.Schindler says that the Governor has the power to end their ordeal with a "stroke of the pen" and if he had courage he would do it.
Allow me to make a clarification: As far as I know, refusing medical treatment is not considered suicide, and we know that the Schiavo's position is that she didn't ask to be starved, so saying her eternal soul is in danger is just not logical if you're saying that the reason she'll die is because someone is murdering her. If the Schindlers are right about Terri's wishes, she is no more in danger of Hell than the Catholic martyr Maximillian Kolbe, who was starved to death by the Nazis.
I think his comments are out of line, but excuse me.
The man's daughter is dying.
Perhaps you could give him some compassion.
Well, that is just silly.
Apparently, he meant that according to the Vatican (but of course, not God's Word.....just the word of the corrupt church in Rome), she would go to hell dying like this.
It is an absurd opinion, but being good Catholics, they believe their nutty church teachings.
I'm not condemning Jeb. I'm pretty sure that in his place I'd have told the State Troopers to saddle up and go get her months ago, but I'm not the governor of Florida. That said, the Schindler's aren't asking him to break the law, they believe they are asking him to enforce the law, law that has been broken in a particularly horrific manner by Judge Greer.
And as for "creating this media circus," what where they supposed to do, stand around saying nothing while their daughter is murdered?
C'mon, are you daft? Which is more likely, that Bob Schindler got it wrong, or that a Christian denomination teaches that you can go to Hell if you're murdered in a particular fashion?
I'm not a Catholic, but if you're going to run your mouth like this, I'd like to see you cite the section of the Catholic catechism that says "If someone starves you to death in a hospital, you'll go to Hell."
SUH-LAM!
You heard good tone before you sent that one off the rail, didn't ya? ;-)
I was just repeating the interpretation of another Freeper who saw the clip.
How does that invalidate what I said? I'm not challenging you on the content of the clip, I'm challenging you on your silly remark about Catholicism. I'll repeat it for you:
C'mon, are you daft? Which is more likely, that Bob Schindler got it wrong, or that a Christian denomination teaches that you can go to Hell if you're murdered in a particular fashion?
I'm not a Catholic, but if you're going to run your mouth like this, I'd like to see you cite the section of the Catholic catechism that says "If someone starves you to death in a hospital, you'll go to Hell."
Hmmm...so let's look at the possibilities:
1. Schindler mispoke somehow, having not had any sleep for days. 2. Matthews, being a distreputable socialist punk, took something out of context. (Remember what this guy did with the Swiftees?)
3. You misunderstood what he was saying.
4. Bob Schindler really believes that his daughter should go to Hell for being a murder victim. He really believes she deserves to go to Hell, but he's worked to save her life for 13 years and plans to spend his retirement years looking after her.
And you seem to believe that #4 is not only the most likely, but is a fact.
I think you need to get a CAT scan...
Let me ask you something. I hope you'll be able to answer it after this interesting speech about how evil the Schindler's and Rush Limbaugh are.
Here's the timeline Michael Schiavo expects us to believe. This is based solely on testimony given by Michael, under oath, in courts of law.
Late 80's: Terri says, "Pull the plug"
1990: Terri collapses.
1992: Michael promises to care for her "for the rest of [his] life," after his lawyer has told the jury Terri may live for another 50 years.
1993: Michael stops rehab (against the advice of all the doctors involved in her rehab), euthanizes her cats, melts down her wedding ring and tries to deny her antibiotics for a urinary tract infection. He only allows treatment to go forward when the nursing home Terri is in tells him they are required by law to treat her infection.
1997: Michael suddenly remembers that whole "pull the plug" thing, seven years after she was first brain damaged and on a feeding tube, and 5 years after he promised to care for her in that state for a half-century if necessary. He also maintains that it's obvious her comments about not want ing to live for years on tubes means she would want to be starved to death.
Now, could you tell me how that timeline makes sense if Michael Schiavo is a loving husband and the Schindler's are scumbag hatemongers?
That's my question, but here are a few more:
When did the Schindlers lie? When did Rush?
When did the Schindlers incite hate? When did Rush?
When did the Schindlers break the law, or ask anyone to? When did Rush?
If their end justifies any means, why is Bob Schindler sitting outside with the press instead of inside the hospice with a shotgun?
Like most of us, you've probably mentioned to to a loved one that you wouldn't want to live as a vegetable. If so, when you said that, did you mean "Starve me to death over a period of weeks?" Could anyone who did mean that be considered sane?
Why can't you show these people a little of your screen name?
Oh, and one more I almost forgot:
Have you at long last no sense of decency?
Chad, you're better than that. Remember they are in the ultimate parental Hell, and have probably been without sleep for days.
I know, but to blame the one man in Florida who has done more to help them than anyone else smacks either of them being seriously unappreciative, or they are getting talking points from the Randall Terry/Alan Keyes camp...
I shouldn't blame them, I agree. The agenda-driven people whispering in their ears are to blame.
Not too creative, but I will forward your "good" name to sinkspur's Hall Of Fame for that utter wackiness.
Why are you dodging the substance of my post, BigSky? There are at least four explanations, and you've not only picked the only one that makes no sense at all, but you're making Schindler out to be a bad person based on your weird conclusion. I think you should have a better defense for that than "I'll forward your name."
If you can't figure it out, then there's no point in me even trying. I explained myself up thread.
As opposed to you, Mr. Theology?
I think he has single handedly convinced me that lay deacons are a very, very, very bad idea.
There is no such thing as a "lay deacon".
It is wrong wrong wrong to keep someone 'alive' for FIFTEEN years who is in a persistant vegitative state.
Michael Schiavo came to this realization at some point along the 'timeline' you mention. Any rational human being would.
Oh, and in your second sentance you started making things up about me. I did not use the word evil. Typical of a one track mind. Incapable of analysing a situation outside of your closed system thought processes. Life is too hard for folks like you so you make up a small-closed-system-fairy-tale world and live in it. Then anyone who violates YOUR rules is EEEE--V--I--LLLLL.
No one is murdering Terri and when you say we are you lose all credibility. You're just another loon fanatic on the fringe.
Now tell yourself you are one of the (very few) TRUE Christians that will have heaven all to yourselves ... and toddle off back to that little crack in the ground you call home.
You can't back that up.
Indeed Conservative til I die!!!
You can't back that up because you have no proof whatsoever that Sinkspur is a deacon, and the chancery offices in both Dallas and Fort Worth have both reportedly denied having ANY ordained Permanent deacon fitting the self descriptions Sinkspur has publicly provided on this Forum.
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