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Smoking in the workplace
GrandForksHarald.com ^ | 2-10-05 | Mike Troy

Posted on 02/14/2005 5:26:50 AM PST by SheLion

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To: SheLion
Just makes me sick.

Be careful how you use that phrase, dear........the antis will blame it on your smoking. LOL!!!

All kidding aside, I understand exactly what you are saying. the ads that drive me stark raving nuts are the ones from Philip Morris........if smoking is so bad, why don't they just get out of the tobacco business? their hypocrisy is not lost on me or anyone I know.

181 posted on 02/15/2005 5:34:16 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH
An interesting little tidbit of info. BUSINESSES HAD BETTER BEWARE!

This is very true.  There are plenty of places that I have to go that does not allow smoking.  Which is fine.  Elevators, inside hospitals, Government Offices, grocery stores etc.  But when I go out to dinner and I cannot smoke I refuse to spend my money in a place that can't accommodate me.

Recreation is my time and my dime and why would I pay for that personal abuse?  I won't.

182 posted on 02/15/2005 5:35:36 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: Mears; LowInMo
The problem is you can't do it in Massachusetts,

Or Maine.

183 posted on 02/15/2005 5:37:13 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: CSM
Now connect that with the legislation requiring nutritional information be available and in plain sight at fast food restaurants.

I see your point. It's just like at first when they used to just print warning labels on cigarette packs. Sort of a "for your benefit" type thing.

I can see why you people are so passionate about this issue. It starts off pretending to just give us health related info and next thing you know you are standing in the rain next to a dumpster trying to have a smoke.

184 posted on 02/15/2005 5:39:12 AM PST by usgator
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To: TOUGH STOUGH
I must say, I got a kick out of that comment, SL !!!!!! Posters on these smoking threads sure don't hold back, particularly the anti-smokers.

Hehe!  I know it!

Well, you and I both know it's easy to sit behind a monitor and type out hate.  I doubt very much if they would have the gall to come to our face in real life and spew this stuff.  But it's easy behind their monitors. 

Yep! It's ME again. LOL!



185 posted on 02/15/2005 5:41:01 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: usgator

"It starts off pretending to just give us health related info and next thing you know you are standing in the rain next to a dumpster trying to have a smoke."

And your standing next to the owner of the business and his employees, not because he decided it would be more profitable, but because he was forced outside with his customers.


186 posted on 02/15/2005 5:45:10 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: TOUGH STOUGH
Can you please tll me what RWJF is?

I will add my two cents.  The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation has almost 50 states in their pockets.

When a state signs on to control, ban, restrict people who smoke and help to raise the taxes on cigarettes, the bigger the grant money the state will receive from the RWJ Foundation.

I did research on this.  Maine is one of the states in the pocket.  Maine went completely smoke free in all health care facilities, to include hospitals.  It was within a year and a half that the local hospital received a big MRI machine and were in the process of remodeling.

They chopped off the heads of their staff, patients and visitors that smoke for blood money.  The following map is old, but the blue states are the ones that are receiving huge grants from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation:

 

187 posted on 02/15/2005 5:46:10 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: CSM

This is a really touchy issue. What can a business owner do? Even if he wasn't forced to do this by law, he would still alienate a huge amount of non-smokers if he didn't accomodate their wishes. As smokers, we are in the minority. Actually, we seem to be one of the few minorities where it okay by the gov't to hate us.


188 posted on 02/15/2005 5:56:52 AM PST by usgator
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To: CSM; usgator
More likely you will see obese and non-obese menus, approved by the government. If you are deemed obese by the waiter/cashier your choices will be limited to the government approved food items.

Without a doubt.  Cartoons are being made about this now....


189 posted on 02/15/2005 5:59:31 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: Gabz
All kidding aside, I understand exactly what you are saying. the ads that drive me stark raving nuts are the ones from Philip Morris........if smoking is so bad, why don't they just get out of the tobacco business? their hypocrisy is not lost on me or anyone I know.

Boy don't get me started on Phillip Morris.  Two-faced SOB's.  They put that big fancy ad on TV about how smoking is SO bad for us and don't start SMOKING!  Yet the pukes won't stop making and selling cigarettes, will they?  It's BS at the extreme.

190 posted on 02/15/2005 6:03:38 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: usgator
I can see why you people are so passionate about this issue. It starts off pretending to just give us health related info and next thing you know you are standing in the rain next to a dumpster trying to have a smoke.



191 posted on 02/15/2005 6:06:30 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: SheLion

Great cartoon. Well, at least I understand where you folks are coming from. What are with these "Ban-Addicts", as Gabz calls 'em? I guess I don't understand the logic behind their motivation. I have no problem with accepting people as they are and wouldn't try to force my viewpoints or lifestyle upon them.


192 posted on 02/15/2005 6:07:43 AM PST by usgator
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To: SheLion

I'm like you - I could on for ohours and hours about the perfidy of PM.

An interesting aside....It has actually been easier here in Virginia, where PM is king, to get folks to understand how bad they are and switch brands than it ever was in Delaware. More and more folks I know are switching from PM brands to one of the newer "upstart" non-MSA company's brands.


193 posted on 02/15/2005 6:10:17 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: usgator
Great cartoon. Well, at least I understand where you folks are coming from. What are with these "Ban-Addicts", as Gabz calls 'em? I guess I don't understand the logic behind their motivation. I have no problem with accepting people as they are and wouldn't try to force my viewpoints or lifestyle upon them.

It's the job of the government to run the government.  Not run private business's.  It's really a mess.

What with the economy, I keep praying that the government will stop the funding going to the highly paid professional anti's so they will have to stop this banning and controlling people who purchase and use a legal commodity.

Either ban cigarettes or shut the heck up! 

194 posted on 02/15/2005 6:12:37 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: SheLion

In all fairness, though the first pic "No smoking within 25 feet of Entrance" could be in front of a hospital or someplace where flammable materials could be present. I see your point, though. Particularly with your second image ... unbelievable.


195 posted on 02/15/2005 6:12:55 AM PST by usgator
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To: Gabz
More and more folks I know are switching from PM brands to one of the newer "upstart" non-MSA company's brands.

I hope so!  But you know PM will say that their anti-smoking ads have worked and now people are not smoking and/or quitting.  You just know they have to have a positive spin on smoking to save face.

They will contribute their cigarette sales down to the fact that their propaganda has worked.  I hate them.

196 posted on 02/15/2005 6:14:43 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: SheLion

Since cigs are heavily taxed, they won't be banned, so I guess they should take the second option. =)


197 posted on 02/15/2005 6:15:42 AM PST by usgator
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To: usgator
In all fairness, though the first pic "No smoking within 25 feet of Entrance" could be in front of a hospital or someplace where flammable materials could be present. I see your point, though. Particularly with your second image ... unbelievable.

That's the outside of Belleview hospital in NYC.

198 posted on 02/15/2005 6:15:46 AM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: usgator

"Ban-addicts" are the busybody nanny do-gooders who are pushing for smoking bans everywhere and increased cigarette taxes to line their pockets.

They are far more addicted to control over others than any smoker ever was to nicotine.


199 posted on 02/15/2005 6:17:51 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: SheLion

The article never mentions the most important part of the problem. Not surprising.


200 posted on 02/15/2005 6:18:11 AM PST by Protagoras (Un-apprehended criminals have no credibility when advocating for the WOD)
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