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To: Rick.Donaldson

Hoax

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=3851

I must admit, it had me going there for a couple of hours until I read your posts and came back to my senses.


174 posted on 06/04/2004 6:08:41 AM PDT by okkev68
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To: okkev68
25 years ago I was at an astronomer’s convention in Canberra and we were discussing the possible effects of the debris cloud of the crab nebula passing through our solar system in 2000 to 2005.

The Crab Nebula (also denoted as M1 in the Messier catalog) is the most famous and conspicuous known supernova remnant, an cloud of gas created in the explosion of a star as supernova. The supernova that caused the Crab Nebula was seen on 4 July 1054 AD by Chinese astronomers. The explosion was at least 4 times brighter than the planet Venus (about Mag -6, which is pretty bright), and this explosion was visible in the daylight for about 25 days (give or take a couple of days).

In 1731 a fella named John Bevis discovered the Nebula.

Here's the kicker. The star that was in the Crab Nebula, the one that exploded, is still there. It's called a varible star. It is also.... wait for it... 6300 light years away. (http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/bib_query?1973PASP...85..579T)

Let's do some math. 25 years ago, "they" were discussing the possible effects of the debris cloud. That is, perhaps factual. However.. that would place this discussion in 1979.

The supernova that created the Crab Nebula occured in 1054.

That means we SAW it in 1054, the actual explosion occured approximately 7354 years ago. Light from the explosion reached the Earth in 1054, or 6300 years later.

That basically means that objects, debris, dust and gases have not yet reached Earth, and probably won't for millions of years. You see, as far as we know, MATTER (debris) doesn't travel at the speed or light, or even high fractions thereof.

Thus, in my humble opinion, this "Aussie Bloke" is porobably NOT an astronomer. Oh yeah, by 1973 it was an estabished FACT that the Crab Nebula was 6300 light years away. That means that if they were discussing "a debris cloud" in 1979, they were definately taking nonsense at that point. Any scientist who is going to discuss such things under the idea that it 'could happen' would at LEAST have bothered to look up how far away such an object happens to be. :)
176 posted on 06/04/2004 7:11:34 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: okkev68

One should be just as slow to discount as to believe...

:-)


THE ENTIRE PLANET MAY BE IN DEEP TROUBLE: a Government Coverup is Exposed

by Will Anderson "Blueotter", www.prophecykeepers.com

All Worldwide Rights Reserved

June 3, 2004 Cabool, MO

A senior Australian Physicist/Astronomer began revealing -- first anonymously and now publicly -- that his government Physics/Astronomy team had discovered -- some 20 years ago -- that a HUGE Outer Space debris cloud/field is headed toward us and will arrive on June 8/9, 2004 -- along with 3 heavy objects that they have believed for 10 years will most certainly strike the earth causing massive upheavals... *unless* they miss us by a VERY close margin. Dr Gartrell said only time will tell.

Many N.E.O. or "Near Earth Objects" have been discovered lately -- but announced in the media only AFTER they passed our planet within 250,000 miles or so!

Dr. Gartrell's testimony has been both broad and deep. It is all on our website at www.prophecykeepers.com as he has requested publicly that it be broadcasted far and wide.

Dr. Gartrell now feels he is telling us all of this information at the risk of his own life, because he was muzzled many years ago by his government -- and has been threatened -- but he is at peace with God and resigned to what he feels is our fate now that he has visited his family between 5/15 and 5/29/2004.

He has now been further identified by www.Prophecykeepers.com Radio as "Dr. Grant Gartrell" of Mount Compass, South Australia -- facts which can be easily verified by anyone with a search engine.

Dr. Gartrell is either a bonafide physicist, or he lied to the South Australian Parliament. It is as simple as that. He has in the past publicly testified in front of the South Australian Parliament and has given his name and address... and has published scientific papers along with other scientists on the subject of possibly threatening outer space objects. He was testifying concerning caves, as he is an amateur cave explorer who has made important discoveries of Pliestocene era dinosaur bones... and that information is also on the Internet for all to see.

He began revealing his disturbing facts anonymously on 4/29/04, and as promised on 5/15/04 that he would reveal his identity within two weeks -- to give him time for him to visit family -- and on 5/29/04 he revealed his surname as "Dr. Gartrell."

Prophecykeepers.com Radio did some simple research and discovered his actual full name, address, and phone number... and that he does operate a "pick-your-own" Blueberry farm nowadays where he also manufactures wine. He originally claimed his full history was freely available if anyone dug deep enough... and we apparently did... and it was available -- just as he claimed.

IF you *fully* read Dr. Grant's Gartrell's LONG testimony, suddenly it SHOULD dawn on you, as it did on Prophecykeepers.com, that SOMETHING HUGE OF EARTH SHATTERING PROPORTIONS IS HAPPENENING AND THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE WORLD OBVIOUSLY KNOW ABOUT IT!

You should begin to understand:

Why huge meteorites are now being seen worldwide and have been reported by so many truckers in the skies in the last few weeks... and buzzed a town in New Jersey rattling windows.

Why the navies of the world are all out to sea as of this month... and why military bases are humming with activity and closed bases are being reopened and refurbished...

Why the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank has put an unprecedented amount of money into liquidity (cash in circulation in the banks)... more than at any time in the past... enough to devalue the dollar by a whopping 20% !!!

Why the sun is appears to be getting "whiter..."

The REAL reason why the climate is changing...

Similarities to the Mayan "Black Road" prophecy...

How what Dr. Gartrell is saying is consistent with both Native/Tribal and European Prophecies...

How the "debris cloud" is scheduled to arrive just as the the Venus transit is visible in the Northern Hemisphere on June 7/8... an event which has ALWAYS caused much concern for Cherokees and Mayans who have long respected the transit and its implications... implications of irreversible changes, wars, destruction, etc.

...and why Prophecykeepers.com is going out on a limb and believes Dr. Gartrell is telling the truth...

...and you will learn what Prophecykeepers.com feels perhaps what you ought do to about all of this right now... and it is the same story we have been telling online since 1996.

Facts reported:

A lone ham radio operator digitally recorded an intercept of a U.S. military SSB (Single Side Band) radio transmission (before the transmission was suddenly shutdown because they mistakenly broadcast "in the clear" or non-encrypted) on 26 January of this year referring to a mysterious "countdown" to an unnamed event which (by the countdown) will occur around June 19 or 20 of this year. In the past few weeks, however, naval units worldwide have been putting to sea in unusual numbers, sufficient to cause us to revisit the original message to assess movements and adopt a watch mode going forward into the June 19-20 date area. You will be able to listen to this radio transmission.

An ex-Green Beret reports:

Lots of the "air traffic is flying into, but not back out of, Holloman AFB and Whitesands Missile Range at night. Also, the Patriot missile battery crews at Ft. Bliss, TX are jumpy as all hell, are on constant standby, and are NOT preparing to deploy to Iraq. Go figure."

Now there is always the possibility that "Dr. Gartrell" is just making wine in near Adelaide, and someone has hijacked his name... and that this is all a hoax, or this may be disinformation and a "feint" to get us to look "here" when we should be looking "there." The point is, that BIG things are definitely going on with the military on a world wide scale, the financial world is humming, peolpe are scared... and something is up! Just what is the big question on many people's minds and lips.


177 posted on 06/04/2004 8:22:13 AM PDT by FireTrack
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