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Posted on 05/05/2004 7:57:51 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
New verse:
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Upon the hearth the fire is red, |
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BTW after that is Devil's Rain, a 1975 horror movie co-starring William Shatner--I've seen it once before, it's pretty MSTYfiable :)
Heh-heh--I figured there'd be a dissertation coming if I opened up that can of worms :)
Okay, I see the point of your criticisms there. I suspect part of the issue there is that Heinlein had a much keener military/technology mind than Verhooven. Also from Verhooven's movies I've gathered that politically he leans to the left, so he may have been satirizing Heinlein's take on the military rather than doing it straight. Heinlein wasn't anti-military, was he?--I haven't gotten that impression from what I've read of/on him.
Most definately! But I don't think it worked well as satire, either. That may be my political leanings showing. ;)
Heinlein wasn't anti-military, was he?
Most definately not; he graduated from Annapolis, served five years, and reached the rank of Lieutenant in the Navy before having to retire due to health reasons. He remained very pro-military, all his life.
yet another test?
Well... if that don't beat all... [sigh]
Change nothing... sometimes it werks sometimes it don' werk.
[arghhh]
Just sittin' here at the milk bar... how about a little of the old ultraviolent, eh?
I'd agree with your political leanings there :) I guess when I saw it I just ignored that part of it and tried to watch it straight.
Most definately not; he graduated from Annapolis, served five years, and reached the rank of Lieutenant in the Navy before having to retire due to health reasons. He remained very pro-military, all his life.
Good--I'm relieved to hear that :) When I was originally introduced to him I had heard people accuse him of being pro-fascist, largely on account of Stranger in a Strange Land and the way it was being interpreted in the 60s (like what Charles Manson did with it). But I haven't seen any actual evidence of that in what I've read so far--I suspect that's a left-wing take on him. What were his actual political views?
[sigh] same stuff happens in Mozilla too...
Still having trouble there Ramius? Ya got my sympathies!
Speaking of which I actually had a pretty bad day myself. A female friend of mine was getting harrassed on this forum by a guy who was calling a bunch of the women on the forum names I won't repeat here, because he was losing an argument and couldn't defend his position. He had been doing this for several days before I finally decided to step in. I gave him several opportunities to apologize, but each time he managed to say something else insulting. So finally I posted his name and address and told him if he kept it up I'd be sending someone to his house to physically deal with him. I finally got him to play nice, but it stressed me out in a major way. Trying to wind down a bit here--drinking a wine cooler but I could use some of that Wild Turkey :)
It's generally held that he was strongly Libertarian in his views; different from modern Libertarians though, in that he believed in a strong national defense, and strictly maintained borders.
Well, heck. That seems to indicate to me that it's definitely a problem outside of your system, then. Unfortunately, that puts it beyond your control.
The unreliability of the failure points to it being a freaky network issue, too, I think.
That makes sense. My understanding is that Libertarianism in the 50s was very different than it is today.
What's good about it?
To begin with, the society Heinlein envisioned had nothing to do with the Aryan wet dream depicted in the Bug Hunt movie. Rico was Philippino; Jelly was a Turk, and remember the Asian martial arts instructor at boot camp?
And Johnny is wrong. Johnny was a slacker, a Fifties version of the rich kid with too much money and no ambition. Remember, in the book Mrs. Rico thought Carmen was a good influence (unlike the nasty way she talks about Carmen in the bug hunt movie). In the movie, Johnny is an Aryan poster child, rarely just being a lazy bum. And Carmen and Johnny were never involved, and Johnny knew this. "Love of a good woman," bull!
Women were pilots, and they were damn good at it: remember Yvette Deladrier, who recalculated the rendezvous by eye and touch, something that had apparently never been done before? Women were excellent at math; Carmen was a math tutor in high school, and the female Captain of another ship tutored Johnny in math.
Women, however, were not MI! They didn't get in the suits, they didn't get in the launcher, they didn't go down and slog in mud.
Carl was an electron pusher, not a sensitive, and he got killed off-scene in the book, 'cause war sucks, and good people get killed, too.
Where were the powered suits? "Oh, we couldn't do the suits; it would cover up the actor's faces." All of the actors in that movie could have had their faces covered, and we wouldn't missed a thing!
Zim did break Breckenridge's arm, but it wasn't intentional; he apologized, as I recall, by saying "You hurried me a bit." And Zim would never, never, NEVER have nailed Breckenridge's hand with a knife. Why would he? Why did he do that?
Johnny didn't go through a crisis, as he did in the book, where he had to decide to stay in the MI. G'nad would know better than I, but that hump, that crisis, sounds a lot like the Crucible exercise the Marines use to tear a person down and put a Marine together from the component parts.
And that's just some of the wrong stuff from before the bug hunt part. Oh, my stars and garters, that was STUPID. Full auto machine guns with, what, 9mm ammo against bugs that big? No energy weapons, but we have spaceships? Don't kill the bug, kill the man, 'cause "it's what I would want." Bugs fly, but there are no humans in the air?
AAAAAAAARGH!!!
Um, I think they re-broadcast it in the 80s because we taped it too. But the Mary Martin version was from the 60s. I saw the live broadcast as a kid. She died in 1990 and was in her 70s.
True story. My aunt was in England in the Air Force. She met Larry Hagman who said "let me take you to meet my mother, Mary Martin." Martin was doing a show in England at the time. Aunt didn't believe him until she actually met her.
We saw the stage version of Peter Pan with Cathy Rigby.
Verhooven is a pig.
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