[JRandomFreeper]

but thinkers don't have plans, and those who do are evil or follish;

Once again I refer you Kipling. And his poem 'If'. Thinkers do plan, and planners think, else nothing gets done. Philosophizing for the sake of philosophy is akin to mental mastu.... something beneath even a cook.

What do you think about Aristotle's logic? Have you found a flaw within it? How about Plato? Does Plato present logical problems?

To be truthful, I can't remember a leftist that could actually follow Aristotle's logic. Lots of engineers I know follow it without a problem.

/john

[epigone73]

Aristotle?

learned greek so i could read him in the original. no, nothing wrong with his logic, but he points out, as do his commentators, that a practical syllogism (or any syllogism) can be formally correct without being true.

and aristotle, particluarly in the politics and the Nic. eth. points out some serious problems with the life of the political man, and indicates that philosophy is the only truly self-sufficient, quasi-divine activity in which man can engage.

AS for plato, these are deep waters, my friend. You dont's honestly think that we can hope to begin to decipher what 'Plato' is teaching i nthese dialogues, do you? See l. strauss, anywhere in his writings, to get a good intro to the hermeneutical problem.

(We do have a letter by plato, however. he tried to get involved in politics in syracuse, and was lucky to escape with his life. he advised against political activity altogether.)