[GATOR NAVY]

I found this:

"Origins: The poodle was originally bred to retrieve game from the water. It probably originated in France or Germany over 500 years ago; it was probably bred from the French Barbet (a gun dog)."

All the Standard poodles I've seen were cool dogs-smart, quiet, good with kids. Too bad they usually have those stupid haircuts.

The toys and minitures are freaks of nature and deserve death.

[the OlLine Rebel]

1 also has to consider the history of France/Germany. The Bavarian region has changed hands so many times you can't keep track. (Hence the English thought they could get away w/calling German Shepherds by the politically correct "Alsatians" - from what the French call that Strasbourg area they kept taking over periodically, Alsace-Lorraine.) Generally dog nuts have considered Poodles of German origin - even the name is thought to be basically German, such as in "pudle". It's the French who came up w/the stupid clips (big surprise); the best clip is the "sporting" clip, which show people almost never use. But not being a Poodle nut, I'm only sketchy on the history and go by what I recall reading on dogs generally and being at shows. ;-)