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To: af_vet_1981
The Church never said that no Jews of Jesus' time were responsible for Jesus' death. The correct language from "Nostra Aetate" is as follows:

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ;(13) still, what happened in His passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.

Foxman disclaims that he is calling Gibson anti-Semitic, but he is saying that the mere presentation of the Gospel story, in which certain individual Jews of the time of Jesus lobbied to condemn him to death, incites anti-Semitism and that it is contrary to Catholic teaching of Nostra Aetate. That is simply false. It is important that people do not hold Jews collectively responsible for Jesus' death, except in the general sense that Jesus died for the sins of all of sinful humanity. However, that is a separate issue from the Gospel story. If you are arguing that the Jewish establishment did not lobby to put Jesus to death, I submit that all historical evidence is to the contrary. Foxman shoots way wide of the mark by trying to say that mere presentation of historical fact and the Gospel story itself incites anti-Semitism.

124 posted on 02/03/2004 2:28:02 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam
If you are arguing that the Jewish establishment did not lobby to put Jesus to death, I submit that all historical evidence is to the contrary.
  1. How do you define "the Jewish establishment ?"
  2. Do you know how many Jews were alive at the time of Yeshua ?
  3. Do you know how many lived in the land of Israel ?
  4. Do you know how many were in Jerusalem for the Passover ?
  5. Do you know what a Roman occupation was like ?
  6. Have you read the account of Caesar's Gallic wars ?
  7. Do you know how the Romans ruled Judea ?
  8. Do you know how many Jews were present at his trial and lobbied to put him to death ?
  9. Do you know who gave them power ?

131 posted on 02/03/2004 4:40:04 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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