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To: Pelayo; over3Owithabrain
This may come as a colossal surprise for you but the doctrine of infallibility doesn't ONLY apply to the Pope, it also applies to the whole Magisterium in Communion with the Pope.

It might come as a colossal surprise to you to learn that I know very well, and knew many years before you were born, what the doctrine of infallibility involves. Your snotty attitude of superiority is misguided.

What isn't a surprise to me is your penchant to dance and wiggle around the facts. Let's review the original question and your response:

(over3.....) Tell me, is the pope's infallibility merely "cultural" too?

And your response: "No I believe it is scriptural (Luke 10:16, Matt. 18:18)."

Please note the question specifically stated the infallibility of the Pope. Your response was to that specific question.

Your dancing and spinning that it includes the Magisterium fools no one.

Pay attention! ;-)

222 posted on 01/24/2004 9:26:56 AM PST by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN) Maybe a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Please note the question specifically stated the infallibility of the Pope. Your response was to that specific question.

Your dancing and spinning that it includes the Magisterium fools no one.

Pay attention! ;-)

That is the manner in which I argue. The question of Papal Infallibility requires an understanding of the doctrine of infallibility in the Magisterium. As I said they are linked, but they are technically separate questions. Once you demonstrate the nature of infallibility in the teaching authority of the Church, the specific infallibility of the head of that teaching authority who was commanded by Christ to "Confirm the faith of your brothers," becomes a little more obvious.

I was employing a form of reverse socratic method of argumentation. I was setting up an argument for the scriptural nature of the Pope's infallibility by getting over30 to ask the right questions (i.e. “But that would not specifically apply to one man but the whole group of apostles, not Peter specifically.”)

I can set up an arguments any way I wish. Your complaint of my method doesn't disprove my point that the infallibility of the Pope, is connected to the infallibility of all the Magisterium which IS scriptural. Thus, the Pope's special Charism of infallibility is really just a logical outgrowth of the need for unity amongst the Princes of the Church, and attested to by Christ in other parts of the Bible. It might be said that the Pope's infallibility rests on the infallibility of the Magisterium, however that infallibility rests on unity of the Bishops with the Pope.

223 posted on 01/24/2004 11:17:41 AM PST by Pelayo
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